Best spray before adding the next layer of wax?

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beanbag

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Hello people,



What do you guys think is the best spray to use just before adding on another layer of wax or polymer? This is to get off any light dust, waterspots, or spots missed while washing your car. I usually wax my car within a few hours of washing it.



I might use Poorboy's Spray and Wipe, but even though it doesn't really leave streaks, I feel as though the solute content is kind of high, and thus when it dries, it leaves tiny deposits in the pores of my paint. I guess I can dilute it down.



How about QEW in a sprayer?



As for QD's, most of them have silicones and other shine enhancing stuff, which I don't need at this point. I think Final Inspection doesn't have silicones, but it still has shine enhancers, probably.



How about just plain water, or water with a touch of iso, e.g. 3M gloss enhancer minus the carnauba?



Basically, I would want something with light cleaning action, light lubrication, and dries without any residue.
 
I opt for water, nothing more pure than water itself....Its my belief, that any streaking you may have left while wiping/spraying with water, will come off with whatever it is your waxing/sealing with. Im not a firm believer of using QD's prior to resealing or adding wax......
 
I like using Clearkote's Quikshine. It is a water based QD and it really slicks up the paint so sealants/waxes glide on easier.
 
I'm giving quickshine along with several other products a try soon. I really like Clearkote's products.......alot of happy customer's!



Currently, I use Meg's QD.
 
I think that Poorboys Spray & Wipe is so versatile that it would be silly of me to use other stuff. I have 4 or 5 kinds of QD's in the cabinet and never use them. The S&W works so well on everything, including windows, and in so many different situations and conditioins that I gradually stopped using the other stuff.
 
Ya know, this website and its threads preach about the cleansliness of a surface, prior to using a sealant. And this topic comes up every now and then, what to use to clean, prior to waxing/sealing....Why is it all of a sudden, ok, to use a product, that obviously leaves something on the surface, (Or we wouldnt use it) prior to waxing ?

Wouldnt you want to "clean", a.k.a. remove contaminants, instead of adding ?
 
Patrick said:
Ya know, this website and its threads preach about the cleansliness of a surface, prior to using a sealant. And this topic comes up every now and then, what to use to clean, prior to waxing/sealing....Why is it all of a sudden, ok, to use a product, that obviously leaves something on the surface, (Or we wouldnt use it) prior to waxing ?

Wouldnt you want to "clean", a.k.a. remove contaminants, instead of adding ?
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Yeah, I'm with you. I like many of the QDs being mentioned, but NOT for this application. I'd use Meg's #34 (FI) if there's a break between washing/drying and waxing (note that beanbag is NOT talking about using something between consecutive "layers", but rather after a wash) where dust might've settled on the surface. If it DOES leave something on the surface, that "something" has never caused any problems for me. And it has higher lubricity than the water/alcohol mix. Even FI will compromise the existing wax/etc. a LITTLE bit, but it's not too bad.



6cyl's_of_fury- Yeah, even though it sounds weird, some waxes do take a while to fully "set up" sorta like with sealants. In the meantime, they're more vulnerable to solvents like those in QDs (and even, to SOME extent, to water).
 
The other issue is that if a QD does leave a residue, then will the act of rubbing in the new wax/sealant and removal of excess allow you to remove this contamination? I figure that at least for a sealant, you should aim for the multiple layers to form one thick continuous layer, without other stuff wedged in between.
 
My memory is kind of fuzzy on the exact details of this topic, but all I remember is, when this subject came up months and months ago, is that you really shouldn't worry too much about most QDs creating problems with layering or applying subsequent products.



I wish I could be more specific and give more technical reasons... :nixweiss
 
If you're talking about significant "QD residue" like the stuff Griot's Speed Shine leaves behind, then no, you should not expect a "layerable" product to remove it merely through the mechanical process of application/removal. So you should either stick with a "non residue" QD like #34 or use one that's compatible with your Last Step Product, like Sonus with Klasse.
 
I'll stick with water (as in after a wash).....Thank you very much.....



Even if the car is clean, you always wash before waxing/sealing right ? Im of the belief, nothing should be on the surface......prior to sealing/waxing.....
 
Patrick said:
I'll stick with water (as in after a wash).....Thank you very much.....



Even if the car is clean, you always wash before waxing/sealing right ? Im of the belief, nothing should be on the surface......prior to sealing/waxing.....
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Well, yeah, *USUALLY*, but sometimes I'll spend a few days working on a car and I'll QD (#34) instead of washing it to take care of any dust- the very fine kind of dust you can't even always see too easily. Seems like a good way to go, especially on cars I don't want to get wet too often (like the Jag), or one I won't be moving for a while (think "rusty brake rotors", etc.).
 
I think Patrick might be right on this one. I used Final Inspection vs. water to clean UPP. When putting S100 over it, I could feel the difference between the two. I figure that you want the S100 to stick as much as possible.
 
Even if the car is clean, you always wash before waxing/sealing right? I’m of the belief; nothing should be on the surface......prior to sealing/waxing.....



Make sure you give each wax layer at least 12 hours to cure in-between coatings.



I'm in agreemant with both these statements
 
What's the difference between waxing over say #34 and a glaze like #7 ? Non-wax sealants I can understand might have bonding issues... but carnaubas? I put #16, S-100 and #26L over everything underneath and have never had a problem. Am I missing something here?



Edit: Oh, I agree with Patrick. I never wax unless I have washed. I would not feel comfortable QD'ing before a wax as a substitute for washing. Very, very light dust....maybe then I'd QD...but why not water if it's that light?
 
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