Best Pure Polish?

Of the three that Mike listed, I would rank them in this order based on personal use. Appearance-wise, the differences are small but ease if use isn't.



1. #81 Hand Polish

2. #3 Machine Glaze (which I use by hand)

3 #7 Show Car Glaze



I've always had problems with removing #7, but #3 and #81 are much easier to remove...#3 has the edge by a small margin, but I think #81 looks a bit better.



Honestly, I only recommend #3 and #81 when someone wants a good pure polish. I think the depth and wetness are slightly better than #7 without the ease of use concerns.
 
I've posted before of my problem in removing #7 too and has given up after repeated attempts with different methods. Currently looking for either #81 or #3 but the local distributor doesn't carry them. I can get #5 though. How's #5 appearance compared to the others and is it difficult to remove as with #7?
 
Mike Philips and George Wax



What you are referring to, a product that has no abrasive or "polishing!!!!" qualities, is a GLAZE.



All the schpeel about the misconception on mine and others' part is actually a misconception on you guys' part.



a Polish POLISHES, it doesn't fill, it doesnt wet (with oils), and for it to be pure it would do nothing but "polish".



I realize, Mike, that you work for meguiars, but you must understand that what terminology meguiars uses does not define the term's meaning in and of itself.



Lets take #7, for example. What does that do to my paint. It fills in swirls with natural oils and "wets" the finish, preparing it for waxing and resulting in a deep wet-look. It doesn't polish anything. The products you refer to as "pure polishes" are full of exactly what a pure polish would contain no trace of.



A pure polish is a polishing agent only. I refer to menzerna as my favorite "pure" polish, because their final polish (the product which I am referring to) is a water-based "stuff" (im using the term stuff to eliminate reduntant and confusing use of the term "polish") that finely "polishes" the paint to a smooth, glistening shine. After I use this product, if I wanted to "wet" or deepen my finish, I would apply one of the meguiars products you mentioned Mike.



There is alot of confusion around the word polish, created by differen't companies' perspectives on the word. Like you said, there is no "authority" on it, but that doesn't mean that "to polish" is the same as "to wet", or "to oil".



The fact remains though, that a polish should polish - meaning it would take something dull (relatively speaking) and make it shinier than it was before. To simply fill in whatever is causing the dullness is not polishing it. As such, George's question as he meant it (by his agreement with you I am assuming he meant it in the terms you described Mike) would be better defined as "who makes the best GLAZE".



From the standpoint of those OUTSIDE of meguiars who have a pretty in-depth knowledge of detailing, none of meguiars "pure polishes" are ever used as a polish, but rather as a glaze/filler.



Thus, I believe I am correct when I say a pure polish contains nothing but micro abrasives that REMOVE (NOT FILL, HIDE, WET, LUBE, WHATEVER) surface defects for a smoother, shinier finish.



Cheers!



-Tom
 
Dictionary



pol•ish



Pronunciation: (pol'ish), [key]

�v.t.

1. to make smooth and glossy, esp. by rubbing or friction: to polish a brass doorknob.

2. to render finished, refined, or elegant: His speech needs polishing.



�v.i.

1. to become smooth and glossy through polishing: a flooring that polishes easily.

2. Archaic.to become refined or elegant.

3. polish off, Informal.

a. to finish or dispose of quickly: They polished off a gallon of ice cream between them.

b. to subdue or get rid of someone: The fighter polished off his opponent in the first round.

4. polish up, to improve; refine: She took lessons to polish up her speech.



�n.

1. a substance used to give smoothness or gloss: shoe polish.

2. the act of polishing.

3. state of being polished.

4. smoothness and gloss of surface.

5. superiority of manner or execution; refinement; elegance: the polish of a professional singer.



Thats what I learned "polish" to represent.....I agree with Superbuick, 110%....

You could, theoretically say clays are polishes.....
 
Patrick said:
Dictionary



pol•ish



Pronunciation: (pol'ish), [key]

�v.t.

1. to make smooth and glossy, esp. by rubbing or friction:



Thats what I learned "polish" to represent.....I agree with Superbuick, 110%....

You could, theoretically say clays are polishes.....
Click to expand...





Hi Patrick,



If you look in Webster’s Dictionary, under the word Polish, one of the many definitions they include reads like this,



“A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface�



This definition best describes Meguiar’s Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss, while preparing the surface for application of a protective coating. Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives. A Meguiar’s pure polish will also increase the darkness of a color on a single stage, while restoring optical clarity to a clear coat enabling your eyes to see through it to the color, or base coat underneath.



Another definition found in Webster’s Dictionary for the word Polish is,



“To make smooth and glossy by friction�



This definition best describes Meguiar’s Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner/polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing AbrasiveTM and Buffered AbrasiveTM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.



Now, how about this angle on abrading, i.e. polishing/glazing.



Meguiar's #7 Show Car Glaze is a non-abrasive product. There are no ingredients included in this formula with the intended purpose of abrading or removing paint.



However, when used together with a terry cloth towel, the nap, (the little cotton loops of fiber), can act as an abrasive, while the #7 acts as a lubricant, enabling the user to very carefully abrade, or move small particles of paint, in and effort to polish paint to a smooth high gloss.



Thus, while these oils are not directly abrading the surface, they are helping to cushion, or lessen the abrading power of the nap. It’s a synergy of both products. The end-result is polishing without the use of an abrasive formula.



I like discussing topics like this because it forces me to think about a topic, turning ideas over and over again inside my mind.



And just when I think I know what the word Polish means, someone goes and uses it to describe a paint protectant, (wax by any other word).



Ah yes… words…
 
mike, I completely understand and agree with what you are saying regarding meguiars' "pure polishes". While in my mind they function as a glaze, they are nonetheless improving surface quality. For example furniture polish : furniture polish is not a polish at all. Furniture polish is, if you will, a glaze for wood. It "wets" and "oils" the surface, sometimes even sealing it, to improve the look and gloss of it.



I think it all revolves around the definition of the word, and as we have seen, even the DICTIONARIES cannot agree on it.



From the perspective of what I use on my car, to me, a polish is a product that burnishes the finish to a smooth, glossy shine, and a glaze is a product that "adds gloss" to the finish. That does not preclude comapnies and individuals from using the word "polish" to describe other products however, and as we have seen from others' ideas/definitions, as well as the dictionary, this is not incorrect either.



All of the products we have discussed above have different uses, and all are great products, mind you. I think, however, for the TRUE, PERFECT finish, you must use a "pure polish" (by my definition) first, to REMOVE any swirls, rahter that hide them, and follow up with a "pure polish" (by meguiars/mike/george wax's definition) to wet the surface prior to wax/polymer sealant application.



This is a great discussion and I have learned alot from others' input, and I hope my input has provoked some thought as well.



Just another reason why I enjoy partaking in this community so much!!



:)



-Tom
 
Well, I went and got Meguiar's #81. :bounce



My question is where and with what pad should I use it in my process?



DACP w/ cutting pad.

then

#9 Swirl Remover on a polishing pad

then

#7 Show Car glaze thinly on a finishing pad



Should I now do:



DACP w/ cutting pad.

then

#9 Swirl Remover on a polishing pad

THEN

#81 on a polishing pad

and then

#7 Show Car glaze thinly on a finishing pad?



Or drop #7 out of the proccess all together.



This will be on the red 94 BMW AND the black 85 Both have clear coat.



I love my PC! We're getting to know one another really well!!!



Thanks for your guidance! thus far and in the future!!! :bow :bow :bow
 
Hi Mike,



Great write up and explanation!! :up



Hi Fred,



You can drop the #7 altogether, and replace it with the #81 Hand Polish. I use a Meguiar's finishing pad W-9006; and, keep a wet edge while buffing.



Good luck! I know you will love the #81!!!! :)



Tim
 
#81 also works great by hand. I use a foam hand pad to apply it to the entire vehicle and then go back with a microfiber towel and remove the excess.
 
Hi rightlane



I agree! I hope it get's "sticky" so that it will be around for others that will come!



Hi 2hotford



Thanks! I've got the black bmw in the garage right now and I'm ready for it!! I stopped last night at swirl remover 2.0 so I could wait for feedback here.
 
NHBFAN,



I think any polish would remove KSG; Menzerna by abrading it, the Meg's and 3M by dissolving it. AIO is the polish in the Klasse system.



I love Menzerna's FP; it's the best abrasive I've ever used. Actually, when I saw the thread's header, the first thing I thought to myself was, "FP, because it is a pure polish, with no fillers or oils!" Mike and Tim, you guys know how much I love the Meg's products, and I still had that as my first thought.



FP is my last step in preparing my finish. #7 is my first step in sealing my finish. I love #7. Other than the first time I used it, I've never had a problem with removing it. I have some #81, I'll try it when I run out of #7.



BUT. 3M IHG is no slouch. And Eagle made a glaze that I can't find any more, that was one heck of a nice glaze. Eagle 1 Sealant Glaze.



Mike, I've heard that Deep Crystal Polish and #7 were essentially the same; to what degree does the word "essentially" operate here? Or in other words, how are they the same and how are they different?





Tom
 
Hi Tom,



I still have a full bottle of the Eagle One Sealant Glaze. The product is baby blue in color and claims to polish with a similarity to jewlers rouge. I agree, it is a great product! (I still have a full can of their carnauba wax as well! :D)



Cheers!

Tim
 
Yup, that's the stuff, Tim. It was a nice combination of the properties of both FP and #7. I have about 1/4 of a bottle left.





Tom
 
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