Beginner Budget Detailing Help.

L

Leadfootluke

New member
I already posted this thread, but it was never approved because it had URL’s and I was still too new. One may pop up almost identical at some point. Anyway….



Let’s say I have $250 - $300 to spend right now, and I would like to start getting more serious about detailing my vehicle. I love doing it by hand, but I realize to actually remove scratches and go further with less effort, a polisher is the way to go. My budget started at $200, but I know getting a polisher, pads, and chemicals would far surpass that.



From my research, I see the Porter Cable 7424XP car polisher [or G110] is probably the best choice, and that can be had for $125 give or take. Then pads, so $30-$50 for those, and finally the chemicals...



My truck is 11 years old and has swirls and minor scratches, but for the most part, the paint is in great condition, same with our Dodge Magnum, many light swirl and small scratches; also our older vehicles that not only have swirls and scratches, but contaminants and oxidation. I would like to be able to complete a ‘few’ vehicles with the initial product.



I have spent a few weeks researching product, what works, and what doesn’t, as well as a place where I can get everything at once. This list was composed of what I felt would benefit me. All were chosen at AutoDetailingSolutions.com. That does not mean I am purchasing from there, but I was able to make an entire list to get a general idea of the cost I was looking at. There might be a few spots in this post that look weird, but I pulled it from another forum I am on. I completed this list before I registered on Autopia ;)



In order of appearance



To get the grime out of the wheel-wells, lower rockers, and interior [all at different dilutions]

Meguiar's D103 All Purpose Cleaner Plus



Adding the bottles, so I can have the original 32 oz bottle as straight concentrate, 4:1 heavy and 10:1 medium dilutions.

Meguiar's All Purpose Cleaner Plus Bottle 32 oz [x2]



Need this sprayer for the other bottle of diluted APC+

Chemical Resistant Professional Sprayer



Heck, I just have the typical store bought mitt, I need one of these.

Meguiar's Deep Pile Microfiber Wash Mitt



While I'm washing, might as well do it right

Black Grit Guard Insert



I choose this, as the smooth detailing kit was suggested, but I am getting a lubricant and Microfiber seperately. By purchasing the replacement clay [3], for the same price as the kit, I can get 3 times as much product.

Meguiar's Smooth Surface Clay Bar Replacement Kit



This works as a wash, clay lubricant, or quick detailer.

Optimum No Rinse (ONR) 32 oz



Adding this bottle/sprayer for 8:1 ONR dilution for Detailing Spray/Clay Lube

Meguiar's Trigger Bottle/Sprayer



Cheap Trim Detailer shot

Meguiar's Gold Class Trim Detailer



I have a few already, but those are demoted as they have had their turn and are now a little too used.

12-pack Microfiber Towels



Might be able to get this locally cheaper... not sure yet.

3M 3/4" Detailer/Painters Tape



Polisher comes with the Flexible Velcro Backing Plate and one Lake Country 5.5" CCS Pad

7424XP Porter Cable DA Polisher - 7424 XP Dual Action Polisher Kit



Additional pads for polish/compound/wax application

Lake Country 5.5" CCS Pad 6-pack special



M105 is an Ultra-Cut Polish for scratches and swirl removal

Meguiar's M105 Ultra Cut New Version - DA Polisher Approved



M205 is an Ultra Finishing polish to removal any minor imperfections before waxing.

Meguiar's M205 Ultra Finishing Polish



For a total of around $275 shipped.



Reason I am not really liking this kit Adam's Complete Dual-Action Car Polisher Kit is because I have less options, less product, and after shipping it is still at least $275. It was suggested to me at first.



Kit includes: Adam's 5-7/8" Velcro Backing Plate, Adam's Foam Pads (1 each, yellow, orange, white and black) [4 compared to 7], Adam's Swirl & Haze Remover Car Polish (16 oz.), Adam's Fine Machine Car Polish (16 oz.), Adam's Machine SuperWax (16 oz.) [Not needed], two Adam's True Blue Super Plush Microfiber Towels (16" x 16"), Adam's Detail Spray (16 oz.), and Adam's All-Purpose Cleaner. All not needed. I can get Detailing Spray, APC, and MF's individually in the amount I want.





I had sent various emails to different detailing vendors and companies and I ended up having a long conversation with Rick at ADS. I asked about the use of M80 and M83, and he told me M105 and M205 are much better and compliment each other perfectly. The M105 [I can get the 12oz since it won't be used a lot and a little goes a long way] is a very aggressive polish, but he was very reassuring that it is extremely user friendly and will be great for removing swirls and scratches. The M205 will follow as that is a finishing polish to remove all of the other swirls and minor imperfections. I already have car wash, car wax, tire dressing, and Megs QD at home. I think, from start to finish, what I have laid out will be able to clean, correct, and protect the finish on my vehicle better than any other option for the price. Recently, I have seen a series of complaints in regards to the M83, but not the M80. Would it be advantageous to pursue a M105/M80 combo? Like for the sake of being able to get 32 oz of M80 for the same price as 12 oz of M205, ha-ha.



If anyone else has any suggestions on where to get product cheaper, or opinions on these products feel free to let me know. Also, I would really like to know: Since I can get 7 pads, would it be beneficial to get one of each, or get like 2 aggressive cutting pads, 2 mild polish pads, and like 3 finishing pads? Advice on that would be awesome as well. I am looking forward to what you all have to say as I recognize there is a lot of knowledge on this forum. I have seen threads like this, and did use the search button, but I was hoping I could tailor a package to fit my needs and I know you all can help me out. Any suggestions, alternatives, or starter lists themselves would be great!
 
i think what youve put together is a good start. but in all honesty i would look locally at discount stores for spray bottles in the cleaner isles, you can get some very chemical resistant spray bottles for less than 6-7 bucks for bottle and spray.



also, if you have a sams club or costco membership, good microfibers can be had for only 9.99 per 24 pack (called proforce), they pass the CD test with many members here, and i use them since id rather not pay 5 bucks per mf towel.



if you have another 25-35 bucks to spend, you may want to get a bottle of blackfire wet diamond sealant, or klasse sealant so you can protect all that hard work as well.







for the pads, i wish i had spread out my combination better.... if your on a budget and trying to get your moneys worth, just get 1 of each kind of pad, that way you have what you need.. finish the step with whatever pad your working with, and if you need to use it again, wash it out, dry it, and reuse it, no need to have a second if your pressed for money
 
Yup. This list assumes I cannot get any of them locally.



I have not searched for MF's yet, but I know what you mean by passing the test.



I know for a fact I can get bottles locally and will be looking for them [Lots for different dilutions of ONR, APC+, etc]



I also have been in contact with a local professional paint shop who can get all of my supplies. I am awaiting prices and quantity.



I will look into a sealant, thanks!
 
Check your local parts stores, And Wally world for chemicals too. Alot of time you can get them cheaper.



As far as a PC its a big intial investment that pays for it self the first time its used. If you want one and dont got the bucks to blow. Try Ebay or a local flea market you can get one used alot of the times but in good condtion. I'm not a fan of used tools especially electric or pneumatic. But its something to start with
 
Yeah, one more vote for trying to buy cheap versions of things when it won't compromise the performance.



I'm never a fan of "kits" as I believe you can buy (only) what you really need cheaper.



I consider small 4" pads essential for timely correction via PC. I know others do OK with ~5.5" ones, but I don't :nixweiss



Wonder if the new LC tangerine pad is available in 5.5" :think: With more powerful polishers (i.e., the Flex), I find pads like that (I use the Griot's 6" orange) to be incredibly versatile, cutting down on the need for a lot of different pads.



But I would never buy just one of any pad; [stuff] happens, and usually at the worst possible time.



I'd buy Collinite wax instead of any pricey sealant. For a few bucks it oughta last for years.



I would consider a bottle of Klasse AIO, just because it's so versatile.



I'd skip the trim detailer, I hardly *ever* use such stuff. I'd rather use KAIO topped with Collinite 845, which would also work well on the wheels and, well...most anything.
 
Accumulator said:
I consider small 4" pads essential for timely correction via PC. I know others do OK with ~5.5" ones, but I don't :nixweiss



Wonder if the new LC tangerine pad is available in 5.5" :think: With more powerful polishers (i.e., the Flex), I find pads like that (I use the Griot's 6" orange) to be incredibly versatile, cutting down on the need for a lot of different pads.



But I would never buy just one of any pad; [stuff] happens, and usually at the worst possible time.



I'd buy Collinite wax instead of any pricey sealant. For a few bucks it oughta last for years.



I would consider a bottle of Klasse AIO, just because it's so versatile.



I'd skip the trim detailer, I hardly *ever* use such stuff. I'd rather use KAIO topped with Collinite 845, which would also work well on the wheels and, well...most anything.
Click to expand...



Thanks for the advice. First off, I do agree kits are a bad idea, especially in my case being very conscious of costs. If I 'did' get a selection of pads, would it be ok for me to start with 4" pads only then [I would then need a 4" counterweight and smaller Hook and loop backing plate]? And if you could offer suggestions, for example with LC CCS pads, what 6 pads would you get? Basically, if you had $50 to spend on pads including the Backing plate, which selection would you get? Yes, Autogeek has the Cyan and Tangerine LC pads in 4" and 5.5".



I forgot if I mentioned it, we do have a new 18 oz can of Collinite 476S :) But I have seen were the 845 IW [cheap too] and 476S are applied for a great seal.



And what about that kAIO? Did you say use that on the trim, or is that what I am assuming since that followed the previous sentence. Thanks again!
 
Kits its a tossup. When your just starting it gives you a variety of applications to try. And see the results you get with it.



But in the same boat. I have stuff that I bought in kits that have been sitting on the shelves since the Late 90's Didn't like it. Didn't feel a use for it. Whatever.



My only reference to wally world is that some of the stuff sold online + Shipping can be bought OTC at wally world or a autoparts store for a few bucks less. Like Mothers Clay kit, Meguiars NXT 2.0 things like that.
 
Leadfootluke said:
... If I 'did' get a selection of pads, would it be ok for me to start with 4" pads only then [I would then need a 4" counterweight and smaller Hook and loop backing plate]?
Click to expand...



You can use the same weight, just need the smaller plate.



And if you could offer suggestions, for example with LC CCS pads, what 6 pads would you get? Basically, if you had $50 to spend on pads including the Backing plate, which selection would you get? Yes, Autogeek has the Cyan and Tangerine LC pads in 4" and 5.5".
Click to expand...



OK, I gotta admit that I'm absolutely (and I mean *ASOLUTELY*) prejudiced against pads larger than 4" via PC for correction. Also, I'm not much help when it comes to sticking to a given budget as I've never paid attention to the cost of this stuff. Sorry, that's just me. Having said that...



I'd get the tangerine pads, no doubt. IF (and I haven't tried it) it's as similar to the Griot's orange as it's supposed to be you can do all sorts of stuff with it. You could use the 5.5" one for KAIO too.



I don't know anything about the cyan pads :confused: IF those are the finishing pads, IMO you could do that step (LSPing) by hand if you wanted to save a little money.



The blue hydroedge pads look like a great alternative to other cutting pads, but I haven't tried them.



Eh...I'd buy the blue and tangerine. It should be possible to keep this stuff very simple with those.
I forgot if I mentioned it, we do have a new 18 oz can of Collinite 476S :) But I have seen were the 845 IW [cheap too] and 476S are applied for a great seal.
Click to expand...



I *would* spend the money for the 845 too.



And what about that kAIO? Did you say use that on the trim, or is that what I am assuming since that followed the previous sentence.
Click to expand...



Yeah, on exterior (like black plastic) trim. I really, *really* like KAIO (don't let it dry, work it and buff it off wet) topped with 845 on these surfaces. Lasts a long time, looks good, and doesn't run/streak in the rain. I do this instead of dressings 99% of the time.



And for a good, quick approach on wheels/etc. you really can't beat KAIO/845. Only takes a moment and gives good results.
 
Sounds like you saved me some money right there.



Cyan Advanced Cutting Foam IS the blue Hydro-Tech pad :)



I can get [3] - 4" Hydro-Tech for $10 total, and since they are versatile as you mentioned, I could get like 2 - blue cutting and 4 - Tangerine for either light cutting with a more aggressive polish, or finishing with a finishing polish. That would be 6 pads for $20. I also would feel MUCH more comfortable using 4" pads, but that is why I started this thread, for people like you to chime in and give advice. I have no problem waxing by hand, that was just thinking out loud.



And I will definitely get the 845 to use like you mentioned, as well as combo it with the 476S. And the KAIO as well. I have had dressings streak, and they are a PITA to deal with after that.



Sounds simple like you said. Get Hydro-Tech pads, 845 IW, KAIO, Backing plate + PC and that would save me money and time over what I was thinking.



Thank you for clearing that up. Also, what would you recommend for paint correction? You may not have advice on keeping it budgeted, but your 'keep it simple' approach is just as effective, haha. Would you stick with the M105/M205 combo to start out with?



Much thanks Accumulator, it means a lot. I want to pull the trigger soon, 'this' is my present, so it's like I am delaying it myself until I know what I want :D haha
 
Leadfootluke said:
Cyan Advanced Cutting Foam IS the blue Hydro-Tech pad..
Click to expand...



Ah, OK..good. Oughta work great and I'm usually not that optimistic about newfangled pads ;)



I can get [3] - 4" Hydro-Tech for $10 total, and since they are versatile as you mentioned, I could get like 2 - blue cutting and 4 - Tangerine for either light cutting with a more aggressive polish, or finishing with a finishing polish. That would be 6 pads for $20. I also would feel MUCH more comfortable using 4" pads...
Click to expand...



Well, the small pads don't cover much ground, but they're still the way to do correction via PC IME.



Also, what would you recommend for paint correction? You may not have advice on keeping it budgeted, but your 'keep it simple' approach is just as effective, haha. Would you stick with the M105/M205 combo to start out with?
Click to expand...



Yeah, M105/M205 is a good, simple approach that works. You might consider buying some Hi-Temp Prep Wash from Top of the Line Auto Detailing Supplies as the oils from M205 can make for pseudo-holograms in some instances. The PrepWash is cheap and better than IPA alone IMO.
 
Accumulator said:
Ah, OK..good. Oughta work great and I'm usually not that optimistic about newfangled pads ;)
Click to expand...



That's alright. I was advised to use flat pads and these are flat and look good to me. And I don't second guess your advice.



Well, the small pads don't cover much ground, but they're still the way to do correction via PC IME.
Click to expand...



I realize that, and as a beginner and being meticulous about my work, I think it will be fine to start at 4"



Yeah, M105/M205 is a good, simple approach that works. You might consider buying some Hi-Temp Prep Wash from Top of the Line Auto Detailing Supplies as the oils from M205 can make for pseudo-holograms in some instances. The PrepWash is cheap and better than IPA alone IMO.[/QUOTE]



Is this what you were referring to? Silicone Remover



If so, looks like you put it in a bottle and mist over your work to remove, like you said, the residual oils from the polishes.
 
Leadfootluke said:
Is this what you were referring to? Silicone Remover



If so, looks like you put it in a bottle and mist over your work to remove, like you said, the residual oils from the polishes.
Click to expand...



Yeah, that's the stuff. I'd probably IPA wipe after usingit (as per SuperBee364's opinion unless you're doing the KAIO, which will, IME, also clean off any PrepWash residue. Might be overkill, but it just doesn't seem like the kind of product that will evaporate 100% clean like IPA or other solvents.



Oh, and I'd dilute the PrepWash with distilled water for the same reasons.
 
My list revision includes



- PC 7424xp

- 6 Hydro-Tech 4" pads

- 3.5" DA backing plate

- Clay - 3 bars

- ONR - 32oz

- Megs APC+ 1 gal

- Klasse AIO - 10oz

- Grit guard [1]



thats $230 with forum discount code and shipping included.



Micro fibers, Wash mitt, IPA $20 locally



845IW - $13 shipping on ebay



That leaves... nothing, ok $40 for polishes. Local company vends Megs Mirror glazes and compounds, 3M and other polishes. I am going to talk to them about getting either M105/M205 or another 2 step compound/finishing polish combo as well as a pre-wax paint cleaner like the Silicone Remover [since they specialize in painting supplies].



Yeah, that's about $300 :cry: haha



Anything else?
 
Accumulator said:
A foamgun for use during the wash [insert Accumulator's usual foamgun lecture here]
Click to expand...



Gosh, you don't know how bad I want one :drool:



Not in the budget. Although Christmas is not far away though :rolleyes:



Still, I think it's pretty much narrowed down. Thanks again for the help.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top