bead or not to bead
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pharmboyrx
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You know, as cool as beading looks (I love my KSG), I wish it didn't happen. It often rains while I'm at work. By the time I walk out to my car I have a bazillion water spots all over my car. Is there a wax that promotes water just sheeting off the car?
critical_level2
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pharmboyrx said:
I too hate having the water spots all over after the rain. Sheeting sounds good.
Setec Astronomy
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Yeah, Zaino beads are crazy...ditto for Collinite usually...makes for some crazy spotting.
In some ways, I can appreciate the "goosebump" look that tight and consistent beading gives, but my ultimate top layer protectant would be an invisible shield where all water sheets off, leaving the car without any water sticking to it. I'm a Zaino user, so I put up with the beading because of the durability.
azenthusiast
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I always had a ton of beading on the Zaino to the point of where it left horrible water spots after every brief rain shower. However, I just put a layer of carnuba over the Zaino, just had a storm system roll through over the weekend, and the Jeep has no water spots whatsoever. I didn't get to see how the beading looked though.
Accumulator
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I like beading more than I dislike the resulting waterspots. I can understand why some people prefer sheeting, but that's not me.
To me, beading is just a residual benefit. It should not (to me) be a parameter for judging the prepwork and lsp's result. The result should be weighed against how well the color and reflections get translated. Most products can bead, but IMO the question should be is "how well the color and paint depth will show with the media of choice?"
PistolWhip
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I just got some Dodo Juice Purple Haze and Lime pre-wax cleaner, I can't wait to try it out. I just had surgery on my right wrist two weeks ago and I can't do anything with it yet. It's driving me nuts!
Greg Nichols
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I don't mind beading, but I would like to learn if there is a true sheeting LSP out there.
cheers,
GREG
cheers,
GREG
the only thing that i have seen and works and i love and is the only i have seen work is Polymer by Production Car Care all though i have not used it for a long time i have seen it work and WOW
it is a paint sealent i dont like paint sealents they do not let the paint breath so i live with the beading now until i find something good
it is a paint sealent i dont like paint sealents they do not let the paint breath so i live with the beading now until i find something good
imported_DetailDan
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569DEAN said:
Why does cured paint need to breath, especially clear coated paint?
Setec Astronomy
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D&D Auto Detail said:
Sheesh, cut the guy a little slack, he's a new member and getting beaten up in every thread! Meguiar's and others have been pushing the "nourishing oils" etc. for so long we can't blame people for thinking a car is a piece of furniture with a linseed oil based finish on it.
1st when I say breathe I do not mean it in a sense its living or the same way we breathe
2nd paint needs air and mustier to keep its properties or it will dry out fade crack pit not look good
So in sense breathing is the wrong word
Now paint has pours like your skin you do not breathe though your skin but what happens if your pours seal up or to oilly you get black heads zits and ugly stuff like that
Since paint is porous and not to mention has peaks and valleys when you seal automotive paint you seal what ever is in your paint into those pours
so that wax with all those solvents and oils and chemicals are now all locked in the pours of the paint witch in turns takes away from the depth and shine of the paint and can not evaporate
Now don’t forget, that shine is the reflection of light off the surface of the paint so anything that interrupts that reflection your paint will look dull
I wish I had the image that shows paint reflection I am sure you have all seen it
You all know what we try to do when you machine polish a car just in case you don’t
our goal is to make the paint surface as even as possible so light reflects back off the paint at a 45 angle with as little lost of light if that makes sense
So when you use sealants and seal all that junk into the pours of the paint you will not achieve what we work so hard to do that’s make our cars shine
Now please forgive me this is only what I have learned I could be wrong
Take this with a grain of salt I am not here to start a rant I am just sharing my knowledge
Yes no?
2nd paint needs air and mustier to keep its properties or it will dry out fade crack pit not look good
So in sense breathing is the wrong word
Now paint has pours like your skin you do not breathe though your skin but what happens if your pours seal up or to oilly you get black heads zits and ugly stuff like that
Since paint is porous and not to mention has peaks and valleys when you seal automotive paint you seal what ever is in your paint into those pours
so that wax with all those solvents and oils and chemicals are now all locked in the pours of the paint witch in turns takes away from the depth and shine of the paint and can not evaporate
Now don’t forget, that shine is the reflection of light off the surface of the paint so anything that interrupts that reflection your paint will look dull
I wish I had the image that shows paint reflection I am sure you have all seen it
You all know what we try to do when you machine polish a car just in case you don’t
our goal is to make the paint surface as even as possible so light reflects back off the paint at a 45 angle with as little lost of light if that makes sense
So when you use sealants and seal all that junk into the pours of the paint you will not achieve what we work so hard to do that’s make our cars shine
Now please forgive me this is only what I have learned I could be wrong
Take this with a grain of salt I am not here to start a rant I am just sharing my knowledge
Yes no?
Setec Astronomy
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No offense intended, but it seems you are regurgitating a lot of the standard paint "information" that has been passed around by word of mouth for decades. Here at Autopia many of us strive to achieve a more scientific and factual understanding of what goes on with the paint surface. Yes paint is porous to some extent, yes we are trying to "clean the pores", as well as leveling and reducing paint defects. Yes, there is some discussion here about certain oils penetrating and staying in the paint to the detriment of further polishing, etc.
But generally speaking, a sealant doesn't do any better or worse a job of "sealing the pores" and "trapping junk" in there than wax does.
When I came to Autopia I thought I actually knew something about detailing after a lifetime of cleaning cars. I was wrong. Stick around, read, argue, learn.
But generally speaking, a sealant doesn't do any better or worse a job of "sealing the pores" and "trapping junk" in there than wax does.
When I came to Autopia I thought I actually knew something about detailing after a lifetime of cleaning cars. I was wrong. Stick around, read, argue, learn.
Have been experimenting extensively on waterbeading for the last coupla of months.
My observations:
1. Lots of water beads (due to prdt used) does not necessarily, mean stubborn
watermarks.
2. Depends on where you live and the prevalence of acid rain.
3. On some carnaubas, after a rain and then a drive in the rain, I still see some dried up water spots the next morning. But with Soft99's coatings and premium waxes, my test bonnet stayed nearly spotless after the rain water has dried on the car. Customers have even commented on this, and i find it a very desirable attribute.
4. IMO, the key is not the shape, qty or nature of the beads that matter.
It's the ease with which the beads slide off the car. More sliding action=less dirty water spots.
5. When you spray water onto any treated panel, beads will surely form and roll away. With Swissvax, most beads will stay more or less in the same place. With Soft99 and other Jap products, no beads stay in the same place, as they're all zig-zagging crazily and rolling off the panel. However, in light rain, where the rain drops don't hv this velocity, you don't see the zigzagging effect. The beads just stay there.
6. On some products, when you leave the beads there overnite, many beads are still there tmrw morning. On other products, such as the Jap ones, the beads would hv disappeared and the surface still looks quite clean the next morning.
That's why, on top of 2 layers Swissol Onyx, I hv applied Soft99's 12mth Coating wax as this makes my car look so much cleaner during the crappy rainy season where my car is outside the shop, and subjected to intermittent drizzles and storms. The wonderful beads attracts lots of attention from my customers too.
My observations:
1. Lots of water beads (due to prdt used) does not necessarily, mean stubborn
watermarks.
2. Depends on where you live and the prevalence of acid rain.
3. On some carnaubas, after a rain and then a drive in the rain, I still see some dried up water spots the next morning. But with Soft99's coatings and premium waxes, my test bonnet stayed nearly spotless after the rain water has dried on the car. Customers have even commented on this, and i find it a very desirable attribute.
4. IMO, the key is not the shape, qty or nature of the beads that matter.
It's the ease with which the beads slide off the car. More sliding action=less dirty water spots.
5. When you spray water onto any treated panel, beads will surely form and roll away. With Swissvax, most beads will stay more or less in the same place. With Soft99 and other Jap products, no beads stay in the same place, as they're all zig-zagging crazily and rolling off the panel. However, in light rain, where the rain drops don't hv this velocity, you don't see the zigzagging effect. The beads just stay there.
6. On some products, when you leave the beads there overnite, many beads are still there tmrw morning. On other products, such as the Jap ones, the beads would hv disappeared and the surface still looks quite clean the next morning.
That's why, on top of 2 layers Swissol Onyx, I hv applied Soft99's 12mth Coating wax as this makes my car look so much cleaner during the crappy rainy season where my car is outside the shop, and subjected to intermittent drizzles and storms. The wonderful beads attracts lots of attention from my customers too.