Back pain
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If you have the room and money, get yourself a pneumatic seat. I'm 6'4" making bending and squating repeatedly over a long detailing session very difficult. A good seat makes all the difference in the world for me.
Detailing on a regular basis will also help to condition your body and lessen the physical stress.
Detailing on a regular basis will also help to condition your body and lessen the physical stress.
AMDin93103
I like cheese.
Yoga and tons of sit-ups in the morning, lotsa water all day with a few dark beers and a few stretches in the eve. You have to be very aware of how you are bending and moving. If something is uncomfortable its because your body doesn't want to do it.
John U
Member
ZaneO hit it with a stool on wheels. I also sit on a creeper when waxing wheels.
Like Andrew mentioned...stretching before hand. Stop when you are aching and lie on the floor and do an upper body pushup to invert your back for some relief.
Last tip....Motrin!!!
Later,
JU
Like Andrew mentioned...stretching before hand. Stop when you are aching and lie on the floor and do an upper body pushup to invert your back for some relief.
Last tip....Motrin!!!
Later,
JU
I have a few suggestions, for what they are worth:
Exercises that strengthen the abdominal muscle are what give support to the back...if you have poor abdominal tone, you are more prone to lower back problems. The physical therapy department of you local hospital may be able to give you input on which exercises could be most helpful as well as material on good body mechanics although they might want a referral from your physician before they do so. This could be very worthwhile though if it prevents significant back injuries that could be incapacitating for weeks or months.
Proper body mechanics will also help reduce creating back pain. You need to keep you back straight when working and not over-extend your arms while holding heavier pieces of equipment such as the polisher. Bend from the hips, keeping your back straight to apply pressure ot the polisher and remember to let the polisher and not excessive pressure do the work. Use the polisher with your elbows roughly in line with your torso. If you move your arms forward, thus moving the elbows away from the body, you are using only your arm and upper back muscles to support the equipment and apply desired pressure. Keeping you elbows at you side and moving your entire body forward (with as little bending as possible) keeps the back in better alignment and allows a more equal support from the muscles of the entire torso. Position yourself closer to the surface you are working on rather than extending your arms. Consider using the stepladder more often (I have mine wrapped with some layers of that foam shelf liner stuff so that I can get it right next to the vehicle without marring the finish) One of those platform type steps would be very useful. Remember to get high enough to work without extending you arms too far and bend from the hips with a straight back for working on the center of the hood, roof and upper portions of vehicles such as SUV's. For work on the lower panels, I use a foam kneeling pad tha I have for garden work and use a kneeling position. I have also just sat on the pad to do wheels. Remember to keep your back straight. The trickiest part in doing these maneuvers is not to curl your back forward to see what you are doing. It would be very useful to drive the vehicle onto ramps that elevate the vehicle a foot or so off the ground. Avoid any work in a bent or squatting position, especially if you are doing things that require applying pressure....like scrubbing wheelwells and rocker panels. Get on your knees or sit.
Take breaks of a couple minutes frequently standing staight without holding the weight of the polisher. Use the proper technique for holding the polsiher as recommended by the maunufacturer (that's part of why they make them....to minimize fatigue)
The literature has been variable about the effectiveness of back support belts. You may have seen people who lift alot with those wide black belts. Some people swear by them. I think their most immediate usefulness is in restricting the bad habit of bending at the waist (thus curving your back) instead of bending from the hips that keeps the back straight. In other words...it can be an effective reminder to use proper body mechanics. The also provide some support to the lower abdominal wall until these muscles have improved strength from your exercises.
When lifting, keep you back straight and the object close to your body and use your legs to stand. You may think the weight of polisher is not all that much but it actually can be a significant weight load on you upper body. To get an idea of just how much the weight of the polisher can cause muscle fatigue, try holding it in your hand with your wrist straight and then with your wrist bent away from you and note how much more tiring it is to hold the polisher with your wrist bent. You will understand very quickly why it is much better to use good body alignment when working. Your head weighs about ten pounds as well. The same strain and muscle fatigue will be generated in your neck and upper back if you don't keep your head up and neck straight while working.
It can take a bit of creative thinking to develop ways of working that facilitate good body mechanics and investing in some of the things like ramps, platforms and support belts will cost money. They are a good investment if they prevent serious back injury. Nothing replaces the value of exercise to strengthen abdominal muscles. Weight loss, if over weight is of huge benefit as well. Simply walking briskly with good posture is good exercise and will increase total body fitness as well as helping to lose weight and it costs nothing.
These suggestions are all things that I have gleaned from physical therapists and practiced myself over the past 30 years in Nursing. I move and help lift patients that can weigh over 300 pounds and have never had a back injury. I hope theyare of some help to you and other members.
Exercises that strengthen the abdominal muscle are what give support to the back...if you have poor abdominal tone, you are more prone to lower back problems. The physical therapy department of you local hospital may be able to give you input on which exercises could be most helpful as well as material on good body mechanics although they might want a referral from your physician before they do so. This could be very worthwhile though if it prevents significant back injuries that could be incapacitating for weeks or months.
Proper body mechanics will also help reduce creating back pain. You need to keep you back straight when working and not over-extend your arms while holding heavier pieces of equipment such as the polisher. Bend from the hips, keeping your back straight to apply pressure ot the polisher and remember to let the polisher and not excessive pressure do the work. Use the polisher with your elbows roughly in line with your torso. If you move your arms forward, thus moving the elbows away from the body, you are using only your arm and upper back muscles to support the equipment and apply desired pressure. Keeping you elbows at you side and moving your entire body forward (with as little bending as possible) keeps the back in better alignment and allows a more equal support from the muscles of the entire torso. Position yourself closer to the surface you are working on rather than extending your arms. Consider using the stepladder more often (I have mine wrapped with some layers of that foam shelf liner stuff so that I can get it right next to the vehicle without marring the finish) One of those platform type steps would be very useful. Remember to get high enough to work without extending you arms too far and bend from the hips with a straight back for working on the center of the hood, roof and upper portions of vehicles such as SUV's. For work on the lower panels, I use a foam kneeling pad tha I have for garden work and use a kneeling position. I have also just sat on the pad to do wheels. Remember to keep your back straight. The trickiest part in doing these maneuvers is not to curl your back forward to see what you are doing. It would be very useful to drive the vehicle onto ramps that elevate the vehicle a foot or so off the ground. Avoid any work in a bent or squatting position, especially if you are doing things that require applying pressure....like scrubbing wheelwells and rocker panels. Get on your knees or sit.
Take breaks of a couple minutes frequently standing staight without holding the weight of the polisher. Use the proper technique for holding the polsiher as recommended by the maunufacturer (that's part of why they make them....to minimize fatigue)
The literature has been variable about the effectiveness of back support belts. You may have seen people who lift alot with those wide black belts. Some people swear by them. I think their most immediate usefulness is in restricting the bad habit of bending at the waist (thus curving your back) instead of bending from the hips that keeps the back straight. In other words...it can be an effective reminder to use proper body mechanics. The also provide some support to the lower abdominal wall until these muscles have improved strength from your exercises.
When lifting, keep you back straight and the object close to your body and use your legs to stand. You may think the weight of polisher is not all that much but it actually can be a significant weight load on you upper body. To get an idea of just how much the weight of the polisher can cause muscle fatigue, try holding it in your hand with your wrist straight and then with your wrist bent away from you and note how much more tiring it is to hold the polisher with your wrist bent. You will understand very quickly why it is much better to use good body alignment when working. Your head weighs about ten pounds as well. The same strain and muscle fatigue will be generated in your neck and upper back if you don't keep your head up and neck straight while working.
It can take a bit of creative thinking to develop ways of working that facilitate good body mechanics and investing in some of the things like ramps, platforms and support belts will cost money. They are a good investment if they prevent serious back injury. Nothing replaces the value of exercise to strengthen abdominal muscles. Weight loss, if over weight is of huge benefit as well. Simply walking briskly with good posture is good exercise and will increase total body fitness as well as helping to lose weight and it costs nothing.
These suggestions are all things that I have gleaned from physical therapists and practiced myself over the past 30 years in Nursing. I move and help lift patients that can weigh over 300 pounds and have never had a back injury. I hope theyare of some help to you and other members.
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
I just spent 8 hours detailing a 2005 Black Denali. After, I soaked in the tub for about an hour and I still feel sore. I focus the pain out as soon as I think about the $250 I made. 
jfelbab
New member
I drink lots of water while detailing and after I finish I hit the jacuzzi for a while and do a few laps in the pool. I follow that with a couple margaritas and all is swell.
My therapy room.
My therapy room.
Brian_Brice
New member
shop boss has helped me very much sees how i am 6'5 and i can detail from ground to bottom of windows in a seated position it definitely makes a difference for me.
imported_Neothin
New member
I cut out a few circles of plywood and upholstered them to make a makeshift seat out of my wash bucket. I also cut out a few more and made a platform to drill some wheels into. Now i have a rollable wash bucket seat. It's tall enough to get to about 3/4 of the way up a SUV while sitting, but i can still easily polish lower poritions of the panels.
Mr.Concours
New member
A Wieder leather weight lifting belt works for me,followed by a long hot soak in a Radox filled bath.
Let me say it again TAKE CARE OF YOUR BACK!!!
This one hits home. February the 8th I had surgery for a Ruptured disk!!! Good news is the pain relief was instantaneous and the prognosis is good. As long as I keep from doing something stupid. Trust me I don't intend to. My wife is watching me like a hawk too.
Not trying for sympathy or anything, I just want to let everyone know that you DO NOT WANT TO HURT YOUR BACK!!! After 6 months of pain which gradually increased in intensity to miserable 24/7 with little or no relief when lying flat. It's nice to be feeling better. I get to drive next week and return to work after a total or 4wks off. Imagine 4wks off from work and you can't clean the cars or the garage. The horror....
MTWEDT speaks words of wisdom that we should all pay attention to. The two things that the Neurosurgeon repeated to me like a broken record were "Don't bend over" and "Don't work standing with your arms outstretched". We do these things all of the time and don't even think about it. Really makes detailing a car kind of hard. I'll be getting a roll around stool. As the doc stated, it's simple, your lower back and disks are the pivot point. If a grown man lifts 10lbs with his arms outstretched the lever of the arms and the added weight of the torso is putting over 700lbs of pressure on the disks!!! Now we know why they hurt. Add to that a weak ab section (mine is really sad) then you are just asking for it.
I didn't mean to write a book, but I couldn't pass this one up since I have a fresh 4" scar in the small of my back. Just wanted to let everyone know it is important to take care of your back. I'm pretty normal, average weight and height pretty active and in fairly decent health. Not really sure how it happened, I think genetics (degenerative disks), weak abs, bad form lifting and some work induced stuff and there you go. I vowed that if I ever had this pain go away that I would have awesome abs. I intend to start on them as soon as the doc will let me. Should be able to make the cover of Mens Health in a few months. LOL.
Take care,
Ray
This one hits home. February the 8th I had surgery for a Ruptured disk!!! Good news is the pain relief was instantaneous and the prognosis is good. As long as I keep from doing something stupid. Trust me I don't intend to. My wife is watching me like a hawk too.
Not trying for sympathy or anything, I just want to let everyone know that you DO NOT WANT TO HURT YOUR BACK!!! After 6 months of pain which gradually increased in intensity to miserable 24/7 with little or no relief when lying flat. It's nice to be feeling better. I get to drive next week and return to work after a total or 4wks off. Imagine 4wks off from work and you can't clean the cars or the garage. The horror....
MTWEDT speaks words of wisdom that we should all pay attention to. The two things that the Neurosurgeon repeated to me like a broken record were "Don't bend over" and "Don't work standing with your arms outstretched". We do these things all of the time and don't even think about it. Really makes detailing a car kind of hard. I'll be getting a roll around stool. As the doc stated, it's simple, your lower back and disks are the pivot point. If a grown man lifts 10lbs with his arms outstretched the lever of the arms and the added weight of the torso is putting over 700lbs of pressure on the disks!!! Now we know why they hurt. Add to that a weak ab section (mine is really sad) then you are just asking for it.
I didn't mean to write a book, but I couldn't pass this one up since I have a fresh 4" scar in the small of my back. Just wanted to let everyone know it is important to take care of your back. I'm pretty normal, average weight and height pretty active and in fairly decent health. Not really sure how it happened, I think genetics (degenerative disks), weak abs, bad form lifting and some work induced stuff and there you go. I vowed that if I ever had this pain go away that I would have awesome abs. I intend to start on them as soon as the doc will let me. Should be able to make the cover of Mens Health in a few months. LOL.
Take care,
Ray
I'm 6'3 and I can definitely indentify with the back pain. I have a creeper that I use for changing my oil that actually folds up into a seat with a small seatback pillow built onto it. It sits right in the small of my back, and it is absolutely perfect. I wouldn't dream of attempting my lowered car, or really any lower panels on any car without it. I can do a 2- 3 stage polish job without a bit of pain using it. Really makes detailing more enjoyable.
Glad the information was of use to folks. Sounds like you had excellent results from your back surgery Rainman. You are very fortunate......I've many patients with chronic back pain that was unrelieved by surgury and are addicted to pain meds as well as disabled. Learning to detail in a manner that protects your back from injury can save you a lifetime of misery and regret.
DocHoliday
New member
Would you be so kind as to post a link?ZaneO said:
Im 6'3" 260 lbs and my back gets so sore too. I hear the best solution is really stron abs.
I have to say I am pleased with the results from the surgery so far. Even with all the people who say "back surgery, no way", there really was nothing else I could do. We had exhausted all avenues and the pain had gotten to were it was truly debilitating.
ZANE0, I too would appreciate a link for the seat you speak of.
In the meantime I will give Google a quick workout.
Later,
Ray
ZANE0, I too would appreciate a link for the seat you speak of.
In the meantime I will give Google a quick workout.
Later,
Ray
jvriii1942
New member
PHYSICAL THERAPY!!! I have a fractured vertebra And 4 torn discs between L1 - L5. Stretching, ab, and leg excercise is what helps me the most. The strangest thing is when I am detailing consantly my back seems to loosen up and the pain goes away for that period of time. Always use good mechanics and posture. PHYSICAL THERAPY!!! (A good deep tissue message never hurts either.)