Arizona's SB 1070

[Poorboy]

Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law - Yahoo! News

like that was a surprise :notme:



favorite quote:

Brewer told the Associated Press. "The bottom line is we've known all along that it is the responsibility of the feds"

now the Feds have to get off their butts and make an enforceable law

 

[GearHead_1]

...now the Feds have to get off their butts and make an enforceable law

We can certainly point fingers at previous administrations for sitting on their hands when discussing this subject. That said, I feel completely confident in saying; "not under this president's term/s (?)". Barry doesn't dare doing anything that might endanger the hispancomvote (Hispanic Community's Vote), he needs them come election time. :notme:

It's sad, this shouldn't have anything to do with skin color. I have a few good friends that are Hispanic Americans, they feel the same way about the illegal immigration issue as the right wingers. Somewhere out there is a plan that effectively deals with those choosing to enter the country illegally that still allows those who go through the proper channels access to this great country. We just don't have representation that will collectively stick their necks out and make it law that will (notice I didn't say can) be enforced.

 

[illuminati]

And don't get me started on the anchor babies.

Hey that's me! I'm an anchor baby. My parents crossed illegally, drove right through the border (in the 70's) without a hassle and have remained here ever since. My dad has been working at the same factory over 30 years. My mother worked at a hospital for 15 years before she past away. Overall I love this country, that's a fact. But I also hate it for many reasons. Biggest reason of all, there is so much hate here and so little accountability. Most people here point fingers and blame others (scapegoats) but always fail to point their fingers at themselves. Most people here and everywhere will say their s*$t don't stink, but never truly believe how imperfect they and we all are.

I'm not trying to convince anybody here about anything because no matter what reasons I present, most have already made up their minds. That's ok, nothing wrong with that. I have no point to make because that would be pointless (pardon the pun). But I will say a thing or two. For every negative consequence you can come up with that illegals commit in this country, you can come up with 10x as many positives they provide.

Do I think it's right they are here illegally, NO! Am I willing to commit racial profiling to remove them, NO! Is this bill committing racial profiling, YES and you know it, but that's ok with you and many others because it will rid this country of "the problem" right? Get all illegals out of here and this country will be better for it, right?

There was a video I saw posted on this site, it was a good video, the guy with the gumball theory. He makes the best point of all, you want Mexicans to stop coming to America, then Mexico needs to get their heads out of their a## and start improving living conditions there. That is the key, believe that. Btw, this is not directed at you OCD, it's my opinion and I'm sharing it with whoever takes the time to read it.

 

[JohnHenry]

"Protesters who gathered at the state Capitol and outside the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City cheered when they heard the news."

Give me a break! Cheering because they have been given a reprieve to continue to violate a neighboring nation's laws!

Why is it that we never see a boatload of Scandanavians sneaking onto the docks in NYC, or a semi-trailer full of Asians dying in the heat? Where are Mexico's activists who will fight against organized crime, government corruption, poverty, illiteracy and human rights abuse at home?

Mexico is a beautiful country with a wealth of natural resources and wonderful cultures. Its people are among the friendliest and most generous on earth. Unfortunately, she has fallen into a despair without hope for a brighter future.

I do not blame the individual Mexican citizen who must risk everything to improve his and his family's lives. I certainly would do the same. But, when will the "silent majority" rise up and take their country back? Would the energy spent today demanding to be permitted to violate our laws not be better spent revolting against injustice at home?

La Mordida, the quaint tradition of government by bribery, has matured over the generations to its inevitable natural conclusion. Mexico is now ruled by drug lords, human traffickers and corrupt government officials.

Do you wonder why I want a more secure border?

 

[OCDinPDX]

Hey that's me! I'm an anchor baby. My parents crossed illegally, drove right through the border (in the 70's) without a hassle and have remained here ever since. My dad has been working at the same factory over 30 years. My mother worked at a hospital for 15 years before she past away. Overall I love this country, that's a fact. But I also hate it for many reasons. Biggest reason of all, there is so much hate here and so little accountability. Most people here point fingers and blame others (scapegoats) but always fail to point their fingers at themselves. Most people here and everywhere will say their s*$t don't stink, but never truly believe how imperfect they and we all are.

I'm not trying to convince anybody here about anything because no matter what reasons I present, most have already made up their minds. That's ok, nothing wrong with that. I have no point to make because that would be pointless (pardon the pun). But I will say a thing or two. For every negative consequence you can come up with that illegals commit in this country, you can come up with 10x as many positives they provide.

Do I think it's right they are here illegally, NO! Am I willing to commit racial profiling to remove them, NO! Is this bill committing racial profiling, YES and you know it, but that's ok with you and many others because it will rid this country of "the problem" right? Get all illegals out of here and this country will be better for it, right?

There was a video I saw posted on this site, it was a good video, the guy with the gumball theory. He makes the best point of all, you want Mexicans to stop coming to America, then Mexico needs to get their heads out of their a## and start improving living conditions there. That is the key, believe that. Btw, this is not directed at you OCD, it's my opinion and I'm sharing it with whoever takes the time to read it.

I don't see anybody here who said they were perfect nor do I believe that my sh*t don't stink. I have no problem with legal immigrants but I do have a problem with people who blatantly violate the law, get treated better than most tax-paying citizens and then say they don't get anything. This entitlement baloney has gone much too far. Yes Mexico needs to fix its problems but with the US border so loosely patrolled and the laws essentially unenforced, there's no drive. Why bother fixing up your house when you can move to the neighborhood up the street? If you fix the broken border, it may encourage people in Mexico to start making things better.

If you cross illegally into most countries, you'll get thrown into prison or sometimes worse but it seems that breaking into the USA comes with no repercussions. It's like breaking into an all-expenses paid resort; somebody else is picking up the tab.

 

[JaredPointer]

For every negative consequence you can come up with that illegals commit in this country, you can come up with 10x as many positives they provide.

Please feel free to explain the list of positives that (you think) illegal immigrants provide. Outside of doing work that most Americans are either too lazy to do or think they are too good to do, I can't really think of a whole lot of positive influences that illegal immigrants provide. They come here and leach services that they (most all of the time) don't help to fund while those of us who do fund them get shorted. Examples would be education, health care, etc. Perhaps my white pointy hat is covering my eyes, but I just don't see it.

I have no fault with someone trying to move to a place to better their family, but I got a problem with someone who blatantly breaks federal law and spits on the sovereignty of a nation to do so.

And let's not forget that protecting the border is more than just keeping illegal immigrants from pouring in a 3 million+ per year - we've also got to try and safeguard against folks coming in here who want to do harm to our citizens.

 

[DannyB]

There was a video I saw posted on this site, it was a good video, the guy with the gumball theory. He makes the best point of all, you want Mexicans to stop coming to America, then Mexico needs to get their heads out of their a## and start improving living conditions there.

But will the mexican government ever do this?

 

[JaredPointer]

But will the mexican government ever do this?

Why do you even ask? Isn't it America's responsibility to try and fix it for them?

I dunno - not so far fetched when you realize we try and impose our values and ideals on other countries in their homeland.

Different soap box.

 

[Jodaddy]

I'll make a long story short, i live in Arizona, if you dont like the law move here for 6 months then i promise you WILL reconsider your previous statement.

 

[DJsDetails]

We as a nation need to step up and take our country back. No American can feel like they're above hard labor, like the work most illegals are doing now, when you're broke on your ass and dead in the water. The nation is in a "job crisis" yet there is work to be had: Send illegals back, put your gloves on, and go to work. So what if prices go up on the price tag, that means taxes go down because we're no longer paying for healthcare/educaion/etc. for people who haven't earned their place in this country. It's a balancing act and its well worth it to put that money back in the hands of an American. That's jobs created which means American's earning a living instead of waiting for welfare checks.

I fully understand that we are a nation of immigrants. We are a melting pot of every different creed and color possible. That doesn't mean we should hold an open invitation for immigrants. There is a way, as an immigrant, to be become a legal citizen and this process is set in place for a reason. One has to become a part of the system to do there part here in America. We must work as a nation to better our country. Illegals are parasites to this process, parasites to our economy and to our nation as a whole.

American's need to create a "Great Wall of America" and enforce provisions that protect our sacred land. As someone already stated some figure of $500 bil. that would stay in America every year just by ridding illegal immigrants. That's more money circulating in our economy. That's more value to the American dollar. That's a lot more money developing small business like ours as detailers. It takes money to make money and I'm sure every American reading this would like a few more $$ in their bank. By allowing illegals to stay here, we're basically just sending our hard earned money down the drain. We have to stand up and take our borders back

 

[Bunky]

The funny thing is that immigration has been an issue ever since this country was founded. In the late 1790's, there was the Alien and Sedition Act. Back then, you just had to be here for a while to be a citizen.

This country was founded by immigrants and it was successful due to immigrants. In most cases these immigrants want to work and some residents do not want to work. Capitalism at its best!

We just need a real guest worker program so the ones that want to work, pay taxes, etc. are legitimate and to insure we know who is in this country.

If the Arizona law required that every citizen, not just being suspected, had to be asked to show citizenship without regard to any opinion by a disgruntled law enforcement officer (zillion of them) when stopped for a traffic violation, I think this would be considered fair but then some (the fair skinned ones) would be outraged.

 

[JaredPointer]

If the Arizona law required that every citizen, not just being suspected, had to be asked to show citizenship without regard to any opinion by a disgruntled law enforcement officer (zillion of them) when stopped for a traffic violation, I think this would be considered fair but then some (the fair skinned ones) would be outraged.

I have to prove my identity (usually with a SSN# or some other type of naturalized/proof of citizenship document) any time I get a new job or apply for a credit card or buy a house, etc. Having to produce something showing who you are isn't racist, it isn't profiling, and it isn't picking on illegal aliens. I'm already tired of hearing this. You know what - when all the illegal immigrants from Mexico are Mexican and you stop Mexican looking people to find out if they're illegal or not, that's life. There's not exactly a lot of whiteys and black folk sneaking in from Mexico.

You know what - if it means getting illegals out of the country, I'm all for carrying around my birth certificate, SSN card, driver license, NRA card, fishing license, etc to prove that I am a citizen. It seems that the people who have a problem with proving who they are exactly the people we want gone anyway. I say (along with millions of other Americans) Bye-bye!

We need to quit making excuses for illegal immigrants. Or else we need to be fair, and start making excuses for all the other criminals in the US. I mean, we could come up with a cute little name for murderers - population control assistants, perhaps - and candy coat their crime too.

 

[Bunky]

You know what - if it means getting illegals out of the country, I'm all for carrying around my birth certificate, SSN card, driver license, NRA card, fishing license, etc to prove that I am a citizen..

I think we agree. I am in favor of a national identity card that does not use the social security number but I know many oppose this.

However, it is not like the millions here are going to leave and we actually need most of them as guest workers. There should be penalties for using workers that do not have a guest worker permit.

I think making them legitimate as guest workers will go a long way into getting more integrated in the society and reduce the ills that some claim come from Hispanic immigration (crime, etc).

 

[black bart]

I think we agree. I am in favor of a national identity card that does not use the social security number but I know many oppose this.

However, it is not like the millions here are going to leave and we actually need most of them as guest workers. There should be penalties for using workers that do not have a guest worker permit.

I think making them legitimate as guest workers will go a long way into getting more integrated in the society and reduce the ills that some claim come from Hispanic immigration (crime, etc).[/QUOTE]This has been tried twice already, Didn't work then and won't work now.
All you are doing is naturalizing 30 million people whom are illegal and have no right to be here.

 

[Jodaddy]

Has anyone read Mexico's laws on illegal immagrition? Put in place to stop their neighboring countries from entering. Read it, its almost the same dang thing we're putting into action. Funny how its ok for them but when we do it its racial profiling. IM OVER IT, just makes me so damn mad

 

[Bunky]

All you are doing is naturalizing 30 million people whom are illegal and have no right to be here.

I think the American Indians thought the same thing.

 

[JohnHenry]

Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

- in the country legally;
- have the means to sustain themselves economically;
- not destined to be burdens on society;
- of economic and social benefit to society;
- of good character and have no criminal records; and
- contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:

- immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
- foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
- foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
- foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
- foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
- those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Another interesting fact: Mexico deports more illegal aliens annually than the US and Canada combined.

I'm just sayin'...

 

[GearHead_1]

...with a Secret government clearance...

We're not supposed to be telling people about these.

 

[black bart]

I think the American Indians thought the same thing.

So your point is 2 wrongs make it right.
Interesting how people will try to justify something that is wrong by pointing to something else that is wrong as if that makes either of them right.

It really don't matter what we think about it NOTHING will be done about it until 2012 and probably not then. :wall
I did see on the noon news that the Governor of Arizona is going to sue the Obama administration for failure to uphold the law.

She has more balls than the men we have running things in Washington.

 

[Poorboy]

I think the American Indians thought the same thing.

I think that is 250+ million now :lol2:

Let's play devil's advocate:

Let's say we figure how to get all illegals out of the country ...

1)they now vacate 10's of thousands of rentals ... who will rent these places?
landlords of these places now can't pay their mortgages or taxes ..thus more forclosures in a hurting housing market.

2) all the food and clothing stores where those people shopped can no longer stay open and can't pay their rent.. which goes to the owners of the shopping centers and stores who will now have high vacancy and can lead to them not being able to pay taxes.

3) fact is the poor always work week to week and spend almost all disposable income just to survive, unlike the wealthy who save the money or spend it where it will not help stimulate any economy.

4) once they are all gone there will be many parts of the US economy that will suffer much worse than it is now, including inflation for picked vegetables as well as clothing... stores including Walmarts, Targets, Big Lots, Goodwill , Grocery stores etc..

5) Poor neighborhoods will turn into ghost towns with higher crime, which will cost more for police protection which will be paid by higher property and state income taxes.

6) What about tourism? how many foreigners will want to come to the US to spend their money with the threat of being incarcerated for not having the proper documentation while hiking the Grand Canyon or throwing their money away in Vegas? Will it include Asians, Hatians, Africans, ect ?

The good side is that the freeways in California and other Southern states will have less traffic :dnaughty people in fast food restaurants will speak only english ..or will they :hmmm: and the lines at Jack in the Box will be short at 3am :drool:

If there's a easy or good fix to this problem ... I'm all for it :rockon but if you tell me I have to have ID to go on vacation or maybe get a tatoo with my ID# on my arm (shades of Germany circa 1940's) or have to have a bar code card that government can scan at their leisure to follow my whereabouts, then i think I'll pass assout: