Are you pissed by the US pirate response?

Setec Astronomy said:
Ha, I was just saying this to someone a few minutes ago. Although the cargo companies should pay for it, even if the US Gov't paid for it, it would likely be cheaper than the Navy mobilization going on (I happened to be having this discussion with someone whose child was just deployed because of this). Blackwater must have plenty of jobless merc's since we booted them from Iraq.
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Cost shouldn't figure into doing the right thing, which is exterminating the pirates once and for all. What is cheaper in the end anyway? A concentrated effort over the next year or so to eradicate the pirates or continuing paying ransoms for years to come?
 
I really feel bad that they used waterboarding Khalid Sheik Mohammed.



I personally think they should have (hope they did) examined the human thresholds of pain on that POS.



Amazing how opinions change the further in time we get away from 9/11. If I could go back in time I would ask anyone a week after the attack how they feel about waterboarding terrorist for information.



Sorry, getting a bit off topic here.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
.. I'm sure the dynamics of the tactical situation is a bit more complicated than we realize here in our armchairs..
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Seems to me that the whole topic is a lot more complicated than a some people realize.



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Anthony A said:
Are you serious? Your war on Iraq was illegal by any standards. If retard bush was leader of any other country and pulled that BS he would be on trial for war crimes. Also I would not call that concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay "following rules". It's more like making the rules up as you see fit or changing them to suit your purposes. It's something I would expect from a third world crap hole. It's a shame America can't see what an embarrassment it is and a disgraceful chapter in your history and will be looked back on with shame. The rest of the world already sees it that way.



Having said that I think the situation with the pirates in Somalia is out of control. It's been going on too long now and they clearly need to be exterminated. Every time these $hit bags get payed ransom it encourages them to continue.
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or hey, maybe we should jusr hold hands with them and sing 'coom ba ya'.. that would be soo sweet, right anthony? pansies like you dont deserve to enjoy the lifesryle that people like ME have FOUGHT for (Iraq Vet)
 
Spilchy said:
First, people have to realize piracy is a law enforcement issue, not a military one.
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Why is that? Is that just because that's the way we have chosen to handle it? If that's the case, why is the Navy involved? Not trying to be arguementative, it just doesn't make sense.
 
I believe a SEAL team is probably training for a night op very soon. What a suprise when they come up from under the boat and blow the pirates right out of their shoes or sandals, whatever the case. These things take a little time to plan out to execute perfectly.



Rex
 
I have to agree with the idea of going right at these pirates. If you look through history, pirates are not a new thing (yes, things like "Pirates of the Caribbean" are somewhat slightly a little based on real history). All throughout history it has been up to the military to safeguard against pirates. The British navy (back when it used to be worth mentioning) was known for anti-pirate protection.



The fact is, we can't keep letting them off easy. Anyone care to guess the total amount of money that has been lost so far due to these pirates? I'd say it's probably close to a billion, if not more. The point is, we can't let it just keep continuing. We need to aggressively attack these pirates via any means necessary. Attack their villages, blow up their ships, if we have to, declare war on Somalia to take care of this. Their country is unwilling to do anything about it (and why would they? One ransom is like their whole GDP for a few years), so we need to deal with them on OUR terms.
 
XRL said:
I have to agree with the idea of going right at these pirates. If you look through history, pirates are not a new thing (yes, things like "Pirates of the Caribbean" are somewhat slightly a little based on real history). All throughout history it has been up to the military to safeguard against pirates. The British navy (back when it used to be worth mentioning) was known for anti-pirate protection.



The fact is, we can't keep letting them off easy. Anyone care to guess the total amount of money that has been lost so far due to these pirates? I'd say it's probably close to a billion, if not more. The point is, we can't let it just keep continuing. We need to aggressively attack these pirates via any means necessary. Attack their villages, blow up their ships, if we have to, declare war on Somalia to take care of this. Their country is unwilling to do anything about it (and why would they? One ransom is like their whole GDP for a few years), so we need to deal with them on OUR terms.
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I wish the gov thought like you man.. go in to THIER territory and ELIMINATE the problem! but too many pansies (like in the last post i commented on) would cry and whine about how we are not 'allowed' to do that.. Its sad that we live with people like that.
 
Looks like it is all over. 3 of the 4 pirates killed, 1 in custody and the captain is uninjured.



Early reports are that the captain jumped overboard again and that was the break the Navy SEALS needed and they went to town. They must have been underwater waiting.



Calm, cool, collected and professional.



Excellent news.
 
Spilchy said:
Looks like it is all over. 3 of the 4 pirates killed, 1 in custody and the captain is uninjured.



Early reports are that the captain jumped overboard again and that was the break the Navy SEALS needed and they went to town. They must have been underwater waiting.



Calm, cool, collected and professional.



Excellent news.
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Too bad only 3 of them are dead but otherwise excellent outcome. :usa
 
Clean Dean said:
Save the 4th one for medical research testing.
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Excellent, just like the Nazis did! :think2



Seriously though, this 4th guy can be a treasure trove of information as to the inner workings of this criminal empire; people, places, boats, tactics, etc... The information gleaned from him can help intelligence gathering to strike at people, places, things in and around Somalia. Intelligence is key, more so than firepower alone.



Somalia is a nasty, nasty place; a failed state, teaming with Islamic knuckleheads with no official government. We have already launched a couple of strikes against these guys (not the pirates) during the Bush administration in their covert war on terror. Going in guns blazing "blowing up villages" would be insane. The last thing we need is another asymmetrical war against a third country. Black Hawk Down comes to mind.



But I think you'll see a more of an effort now to launch a covert strike or two or three against pirate installations in Somalia similar to what Bush did in Pakistan and Obama is wisely continuing to do against Al-Qaeda and Taliban targets. I think we've had enough and aren't going to sit and wait for a pathetic, toothless international half arse response from the UN.
 
You are aware that the Gulf War never officially ended, right? We had been in cease-fire mode since 1991 and just the fact that Iraq regularly targeted US planes in the no-fly zone is justifcation enough to resume action against them.



As far as Gitmo goes, my thoughts is that we haven't been nearly hard enough on them. Waterboarding? Who cares? The way Saddam's sons treating members of the national Iraq soccer team or how the Taliban treats women in Afghanistan is far worse.
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Exactly the point I was going to make.
 
Scottwax said:
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As far as Gitmo goes, my thoughts is that we haven't been nearly hard enough on them. Waterboarding? Who cares? The way Saddam's sons treating members of the national Iraq soccer team or how the Taliban treats women in Afghanistan is far worse.
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Congratulations you re a little better than Saddam or the Taliban. It's nice to see you aim high in your standards.



I wonder how you would feel if you were arrested put in a place Gitmo and denied Due Process and face kangaroo courts and it was all justified by some enemy combatant BS?



Even if the people you have there are guilty the US should hold them selves to a higher standard. I say "if" they are guilty because I have no doubt many are not.
 
Flawless Image said:
or hey, maybe we should jusr hold hands with them and sing 'coom ba ya'.. that would be soo sweet, right anthony? pansies like you dont deserve to enjoy the lifesryle that people like ME have FOUGHT for (Iraq Vet)
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I'm far from a pansie. I also guarantee you did nothing in Iraq to benefit my of life so get over your self real quick. If you read my post I'm all for going in and wiping out the pirates and I'm very happy it ended they way it did. Just because I don't mindlessly jump on the band wagon doesn't make me a pansie.
 
Anthony A said:
Congratulations you re a little better than Saddam or the Taliban. It's nice to see you aim high in your standards.



I wonder how you would feel if you were arrested put in a place Gitmo and denied Due Process and face kangaroo courts and it was all justified by some enemy combatant BS?

Even if the people you have there are guilty the US should hold them selves to a higher standard. I say "if" they are guilty because I have no doubt many are not.
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wow, you are a character.. If I were a TERRORIST, then i would not feel to bad about being in gitmo! Im sure our prisoners of war are treated much better in thier country huh? you are a joke.. Serve some time in the military, go fight over seas somewhere.. See women and children willfully carrying bombs and IED's in bread baskets, TRYING to kill YOU! then make your decision.. but from your standing and 'experience' with it all, I think its best you keep your opinions to yourself and other cowardly members of our country..
 
Wow. Bit off topic, but theres no turning back now.



The people detained at Gitmo are (allegedly) at war. They are therefore not subject to the same process a typical criminal would be. In addition, they are not citizens of, nor did they commit their crime in America. All this means they aren't protected by the constitution.
 
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