Are you part of the solution?

Do you have what it takes to be a pro

  • I detail for money, and comply to all the above.

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  • I detail for money , and do not comply

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I detail for money, but only for friends

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I detail only for fun

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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reparebrise said:
No one is harping on reclaim and enviro stuff, I started this to talk about projecting a responsible image, and level of professionalism. Just because I am the OP people are misled into thinking its a green posting. While my business does respect teh environment, we above all respect our need to be profitable.
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its not the enviro stuff, its the "legal" stuff you think we should all have...(PS, you are in canada, why do you care what we in the states do?) Completely different situations I am sure. Which makes me perplexed as to the underlying reasoning behind a thread like this...



If Holden burned the trim WITH insurance, he still wouldn't be posting on here as insurance was irrelevant in that situation! The whole situation was he burned the trim and said "%^&* you" to the owner, "pay me 4 times the original quote"
 
Accumulator said:
As a free-market capitalist I certainly understand the need to be profitable but perhaps I put more of an emphasis on the "free market" part. If somebody undercuts you by not subscribing to certain (not legally mandated) practices, then the customers are accepting a greater risk, and/or other negative(s), in exchange for a lower price. Their choice, their (potential) problem.
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:upYOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!:up



Do I want a BOSE setup, or a iHOME setup for my ipod docking station..hmmmm, high quality with higher price tag, or mediocre quality with a cheap price tag...
 
toyotaguy said:
:upYOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!:up



Do I want a BOSE setup, or a iHOME setup for my ipod docking station..hmmmm, high quality with higher price tag, or mediocre quality with a cheap price tag...
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This has nothing to do with the thread, but I wouldn't exactly call Bose high quality, lol



edit: and I feel that those of you that detail fulltime, as your profession, should have liability insurance, licensing, etc, and pay taxes on your income. Those of you that do it part time should at least claim it as a sidebusiness, and those of you that detail things for family, friends, and friends of friends, shouldn't need all these things. Its aimed towards professional businesses.
 
I think that detailing should be outlawed unless you use a handiwipe to wash a car.! Hey, anyone ever see the movie Gran Torino? OMG, that was some funny stuff! Oh, how many of you absolutely hate it when you are face to face, talking to someone and they talk in text. You know, like..OMG, I'll BRB.



I hate that cr#p!!!



Oh, how many of you like girls?!:rules:
 
reparebrise said:
To clear things up, this thread has nothing to do with being green, but all to do with running a legit business. One person said that his state does not require insurance, but honestly your customers should. If you need to ask why do a search back in time about a person who detailed a Lambo, and ruined a molding , had he been insured and above board he would still be posting here.



It's all about working on the same level, in some other threads detailers give prices that they charge, or complain that the competition us severely undercutting them, if everyone had the same base expenses(insurance, taxes, employee benefits....) than we would see more success promoting prices.



We detail mostly for dealers, and charge on average $90 per hour, and customers don't complain about our prices, because we provide a service they need at a quality level they appreciate.
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You can squeeze $90 an hour out of a dealership?.............Man you are a Pro
 
I think the OP is just trying to raise the bar industry wide. To me that is an excellent idea. BIG problem with this industry is anyone with a bucket and some wax can claim to be a detailer. It is an industry with a very low cost of entry. If everyone who did details for money, whether part time or full time, had proper licensing and insurance it would raise the bar industry wide. This would be a good thing because the pricing across the board would be more uniform. The hacks and low-ballers would not have a chance. It is true that the unprofessional and un-efficient businesses will not last, however, there brief venture into detailing still lowers the bar and takes business from the true professionals.
 
Jakerooni said:
You really have 2 different topics here. Professional business people that follow all the rules and regs. and then you have true highly skilled detailers that are professionals of their crafts. Sometimes they work in harmony other times they don't. I'll be perfectly honest. I have both a buisness lic. and Insurence. But any cash transactions go right in my pocket. I'll gladly pay taxes and such on all credit card transactions and checks that get deposited into my business account. But cash is cash and I don't have any interest in giving any of that to uncle sam.
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Wow, you just admitted to tax fraud in a open forum, NICE!
 
I see the point here....



The image of an industry is made up of the actions (and image) of the people that work in it. If a % of those industry members drive up with a bucket and some wax, do shoddy work, ask for cash to avoid paying tax, dont offer receipts/invoices then guess what - their actions tarnish the 'image' of the others in the industry as well. Its therefore in the interests of everyone to raise the bar.



It was dramatically demonstrated over the last few weeks in London when a customer went on a public forum and posted a story claiming a detailer drove and abused his supercar while it was left in his care. The resulting fallout from the story (not yet even proven BTW) was a dramatic drop in business for detailers all across the region with customers cancelling for established detailers with nothing to do with the incident.



Just proves to me that industry image IS important to EVERYONES business, so anything that serves to improve the image of people in the industry benefits everyone.
 
If the concensus is that because there are people in The World providing less than professional services and those people are ruining the detailing industry then, I'm must not be a detailer. We REGULARLY have new clients come to us to fix what someone else either attempted or just admited they couldn't do.



If you walk around life with worries that your future hinges on what others are doing, you're leading a rather poor existence. And, that would be it, an existence. I mean, think about all the girls who have had a poor partner in the sack. Do they just lock the chastity belt and give up? Nope, they come to me to do what the last guy couldn't or admited he can't do!:scared:



What other professionals or wannabe professionals do or don't do has absolutely no bearing on my business. They either do a poor job and my potential clients will eventually come to me so that they now have an inflated bill to repair his screw up or they don't even bother with them and come to me and experience service they didn't know was available. We, as I'm sure are most of you, are forever having people comment after our service is completed, telling us they had never seen a detailer remove wheels, clean and wax the backside of the rim, scrub and treat the wheel well, etc. Point being, you need to provide the highest level of service possible and not worry about what others are doing poorly. I posted on another thread about a 52' race trailer and toter we bid $4k on. Well, the customer has since gotten three other bids, the highest being HALF of ours. So, Tuesday morning he and I touched base and he told me about the bids he had gotten. Okay, I offered him this, "I will also do the interior of the trailer for an additional $750.00. Instead of competeing with the lower prices, I offered more service and raised the price even higher. We started the job yesterday.



DON'T LET OTHERS RUN YOUR BUSINESS!
 
Got Wax said:
If the concensus is that because there are people in The World providing less than professional services and those people are ruining the detailing industry then, I'm must not be a detailer. We REGULARLY have new clients come to us to fix what someone else either attempted or just admited they couldn't do.



If you walk around life with worries that your future hinges on what others are doing, you're leading a rather poor existence. And, that would be it, an existence. I mean, think about all the girls who have had a poor partner in the sack. Do they just lock the chastity belt and give up? Nope, they come to me to do what the last guy couldn't or admited he can't do!:scared:



What other professionals or wannabe professionals do or don't do has absolutely no bearing on my business. They either do a poor job and my potential clients will eventually come to me so that they now have an inflated bill to repair his screw up or they don't even bother with them and come to me and experience service they didn't know was available. We, as I'm sure are most of you, are forever having people comment after our service is completed, telling us they had never seen a detailer remove wheels, clean and wax the backside of the rim, scrub and treat the wheel well, etc. Point being, you need to provide the highest level of service possible and not worry about what others are doing poorly. I posted on another thread about a 52' race trailer and toter we bid $4k on. Well, the customer has since gotten three other bids, the highest being HALF of ours. So, Tuesday morning he and I touched base and he told me about the bids he had gotten. Okay, I offered him this, "I will also do the interior of the trailer for an additional $750.00. Instead of competeing with the lower prices, I offered more service and raised the price even higher. We started the job yesterday.



DON'T LET OTHERS RUN YOUR BUSINESS!
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so the actions of significant players in the banking industry havent damaged the reputation of ALL in the banking industry then? Of course they have, and the resulting damage to the industry has destroyed confidence (and investment) in ALL banks.



I have no doubt that people swapping stories with friends and relatives etc about 'less than professional experiences' with other detailers stops some potential clients from using any detailer. You just never get to now as they never call...
 
Bigpikle said:
so the actions of significant players in the banking industry havent damaged the reputation of ALL in the banking industry then? Of course they have, and the resulting damage to the industry has destroyed confidence (and investment) in ALL banks....
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But I dunno if the two industries are analogous :think:



There are plenty of crappy mechanics and used-car salesmen(!) but it doesn't follow that these [twits] sully the whole industry (even if we do joke about the salesmen).



For that matter, the *good*, responsible bankers are really shining these days..."we didn't do that [crap] and look how healthy our company is".



I dunno... :nixweiss It's a shame when any industry has bad apples but it doesn't always reflect back upon the good guys.
 
Accumulator said:
But I dunno if the two industries are analogous :think:



There are plenty of crappy mechanics and used-car salesmen(!) but it doesn't follow that these [twits] sully the whole industry (even if we do joke about the salesmen).



For that matter, the *good*, responsible bankers are really shining these days..."we didn't do that [crap] and look how healthy our company is".



I dunno... :nixweiss It's a shame when any industry has bad apples but it doesn't always reflect back upon the good guys.
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you may be right, but I know what 99% of people I know think of used car salesmen and most mechanics ;)



It does mean that often its easier to be a shining beacon of professionalism though :spot
 
Got Wax said:
If the concensus is that because there are people in The World providing less than professional services and those people are ruining the detailing industry then, I'm must not be a detailer. We REGULARLY have new clients come to us to fix what someone else either attempted or just admited they couldn't do.



If you walk around life with worries that your future hinges on what others are doing, you're leading a rather poor existence. And, that would be it, an existence. I mean, think about all the girls who have had a poor partner in the sack. Do they just lock the chastity belt and give up? Nope, they come to me to do what the last guy couldn't or admited he can't do!:scared:



What other professionals or wannabe professionals do or don't do has absolutely no bearing on my business. They either do a poor job and my potential clients will eventually come to me so that they now have an inflated bill to repair his screw up or they don't even bother with them and come to me and experience service they didn't know was available. We, as I'm sure are most of you, are forever having people comment after our service is completed, telling us they had never seen a detailer remove wheels, clean and wax the backside of the rim, scrub and treat the wheel well, etc. Point being, you need to provide the highest level of service possible and not worry about what others are doing poorly. I posted on another thread about a 52' race trailer and toter we bid $4k on. Well, the customer has since gotten three other bids, the highest being HALF of ours. So, Tuesday morning he and I touched base and he told me about the bids he had gotten. Okay, I offered him this, "I will also do the interior of the trailer for an additional $750.00. Instead of competeing with the lower prices, I offered more service and raised the price even higher. We started the job yesterday.



DON'T LET OTHERS RUN YOUR BUSINESS!
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If Ego,Imagination and Arrogance made a good detailer......You would be the best.:ignore
 
Bigpikle said:
you may be right, but I know what 99% of people I know think of used car salesmen and most mechanics ;)



It does mean that often its easier to be a shining beacon of professionalism though :spot
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People may think ill of these people. But, they still need and use their services. Just a matter of findings the right one.
 
toyotaguy said:
good luck trying to prove it was actually the business owner he was the one typing...LOL
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It wouldn't matter who posted it. All the government needs is a red flag sent up and bam you're getting audited.
 
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