Are you annoyed with the high gas prices?

I grind my teeth when I pay for premium (93). Today I paid $47 @ $3.64/gal for my TL. Gas is starting to kill me... lets see... milk, or gas... gas, or milk? I think gas....



But oh well, at least it's only a few bucks from last year, but hell it's adding up!
 
OH and... when I do get that stimulus payment... hopefully $600, I'll use $300 just for gas, and the other $300 for a nice weekend get away to Orlando, or buy more detailing stuff.. if not I'll throw it into my savings. :)
 
More of the money we make detailing as a side job will be going to pay for fuel, I am sure of it as I'm starting to put more towards that. My drive to work is only 22 miles each way, I know others have much longer commutes, but you can do a lot with hypermiling techniques. I drive an SUV and get 22.6 mpg by using hypermiling, although I do have to drive a bit slower. Tires at 37-38 PSI and watching the realtime MPG gauge helps quite a bit as throttle pressure has to be lower to maintain those upper 20s. I'm in the right lane now doing 62-65 mph constant in a 320hp V8 performance SUV. If I really ramp the gas hard, it's tons of fun, but I get around 12-15 mpg driving like that.
 
jswift2000 said:
People can begin driving more efficient cars instead of SUVs that get 15 mpg.... Its all relative.
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That means changin their lifestyles all because of gas.. Most people who buy a SUV take 5 years to pay it off, you cant just start switching cars around without getting into a finicial bind.
 
I purchased a Civic Hybrid last summer for the use of the HOV lane. There were a few times I really thought of getting rid of the car; it's boring, slow, and handles like pooh. The 2 times I really considered getting rid it was changed when I came home in the HOV lane. It shaves about and hour of driving time for me daily.



Now that gas is getting so expensive, I don't think I will get rid of the car anytime soon. My best tank to date is 53 mpg and my worse is 42. I have averaged 50 + on the past 3 tanks. I know a lot of people against the Hybrids say it's not an earth friendly car, and it will take forever to cover the cost diff. going with the Hybrid, but I am glad I have it now.
 
I'm not pissed that I just paid $4.19/gallon. I think we'll look back on that as being a bargain.



The major oil producing countries are running full steam. There's just not much out there in terms of increasing production. Last week, Russia posted a decline in production for the first time in a decade, stating that they've likely peaked, and they are one of the world's largest producers and exporters of crude. The Saudi's will not increase production, stating the market is well-supplied. I'm not sure what market they are tracking. My inkling is that they simply can't increase production.



As for oil production: Cantarell, Mexico's largest field, is in decline. The North Sea is in decline. The U.S. has been in decline since 1970...the list goes on. The tar sands take extensive amounts of energy and water infusion to extract the oil from. There just isn't any more easy oil out there, and it will therefore continue to become more expensive and scarcer. If there were any more easy oil do you really think the oil companies would be going to the tar sands and deep water?



We'll never run out of oil, we'll just get to a point where we can't increase production any more, then start declining year-after-year. And it looks like we're right at the doorstep.



Peak oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Hirsch report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Peak Oil Review -- April 21st, 2008 | IBT Commodities & Futures



Former CEO of Talisman Energy: Peak oil is 'here or hereabouts' | EnergyBulletin.net | Peak Oil News Clearinghouse



EVWORLD FEATURE: Saudi King's Quiet Bombshell: Peak Oil | Saudi Arabia | Kind Abdullah



Oil numbers - Paul Krugman - Op-Ed Columnist - New York Times Blog



I usually don't want to be wrong about things, but in this case I do. I really hope I, and anyone else who is aware of this, is wrong.
 
In Reply to Dumass in Lithuania you are comparing apples to oranges. You are a tiny country and don't have the commutes we have here for jobs. I live in Southern California where there isn't any tranposrtation system to speak of. I tried to use public transportation to get to Los Angeles Airport ,which is 65 miles from me, on a Sunday and it took me 7 hours to get there. Not an alternative. And don't forget that my father and other Americans fought and died to save your country from the Nazis. We have the right to whine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nana:
 
Its more than just oil when looking at the big picture. The largest threat to our planet is the destruction of natural resources. Are alternative fuels the answer
? Yes but we need buy in from the government and car manufacturers to head in that direction.



Discovery hd had a program about alternative fuels, lighter car parts, better tires, etc so the ideas and products are out there. However, the big machine is preventing them from coming to market. The most memorable part of the show was about a sweedish company that made road side hydrogen fueling stations that run on rain water and solar power. That's clean and pure.



Anyway, I just spoke to a co-worker based in London and they're paying close to $11.00 a gallon.
 
jetset4me said:
In Reply to Dumass in Lithuania you are comparing apples to oranges. You are a tiny country and don't have the commutes we have here for jobs. I live in Southern California where there isn't any tranposrtation system to speak of. I tried to use public transportation to get to Los Angeles Airport ,which is 65 miles from me, on a Sunday and it took me 7 hours to get there. Not an alternative. And don't forget that my father and other Americans fought and died to save your country from the Nazis. We have the right to whine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nana:
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Consider this your warning. Personal attacks are not allowed. The exceedingly childish attack of making fun of another member's name is right out.



Reconsider your tone, or spend some time sitting on the sidelines. Your choice.



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im a little pissed off that i had to fill up my f-450 2 times this week at 140 a pop for diesel fuel... 280 per week is way too much to be spending on gas when diesel is 4.45/gal.
 
racing2448 said:
im a little pissed off that i had to fill up my f-450 2 times this week at 140 a pop for diesel fuel... 280 per week is way too much to be spending on gas when diesel is 4.45/gal.
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I was just going to ask how the diesel guys are doing. I've seen it close to $5.00 here in NYC. This is having a large effect on deliveries and charges, wonder when FedEx and UPS are going to pass even more of those fuel costs onto consumers.
 
i can understand the complaints when it comes from businesses, etc that take a considerable hit due to rising gas prices. what i personally have no sympathy for are the people that complain about the costs when they chose to purchase huge SUVs and trucks that use them for nothing more than standard transportation. now, i'm not a tree hugging environmentalist...just a realist. my Z gets pretty bad MPG in town...as in 18-20 (28-30 on the highway), but i knew that going into it...and i also don't complain about it.



when i hear soccermoms or guys at work complain about their F-250 or Denali fuel costs, i just laugh and shake my head. seriously...how wasteful and ridiculous can they be when they NEVER haul anything in them more than groceries? they deserve to pay up for that excess. "oh, i deserve to drive it"...."i'm entitled to it". yes, you are "entitled"...sure...but you're going to start paying a LOT more now.



again, this does not apply to the people that actually NEED a large vehicle...just the ones that got them for show. time to start paying up.



/rant
 
300 million acres in the middle of no-where. Frozen desolate tundra ten months out of the year. No sun for thirty consecutive days. Humans never see, visit or even think about this expansive area. Think about this, it would only be a 3000 acre footprint on 300 MILLION acres.



100 years worth of crude oil known to be sitting 2 miles below four northwest states.



Expansive oil fields knnow to exist 200 miles off the Florida coast in the gulf of mexico.



The oil is there in vast amounts. Amounts that would give us complete self reliance and create jobs for thousands. Yea, I am mad about the price of gas. Especially because there is no decent reason for not supplying ourselves with our own oil. One side is beholden to special interests and the other side is just a bunch of scared Tulips.



Don't forget about higher food prices now that we burn our valuable corn in engines and can't produce enough.



Yea, I am mad when I have to fill up my tank.



P.S. We only get 10% of our oil from the middle east.
 
fergnation said:
100 years worth of crude oil known to be sitting 2 miles below four northwest states.



Expansive oil fields known to exist 200 miles off the Florida coast in the gulf of mexico.



The oil is there in vast amounts. Amounts that would give us complete self reliance and create jobs for thousands.
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According to this Baptist minister's book who had access to the high-ups at Oil Co's in Alaska, the whole oil crisis and high prices are a complete crock! He says that as the USA stands NOW...we can achieve energy independence for ourselves within 5 years. Interestingly, he does not blame the Oil Co's for the situation we're in. Its a 20 chapter book and available free to read online.



The Energy Non-Crisis by Lindsey Williams



First paragraph of chapter 1:

The Great Oil Deception



There is no true energy crisis. There never has been an energy crisis . . . except as it has been produced by the Federal government for the purpose of controlling the American people. That's a rather dramatic statement to make, isn't it? But you see, at one time I too thought there was an energy crisis. After all, that was what I had been told by the news media and by the Federal government. I thought we were running out of crude oil and natural gas. Then I heard, I saw, and I experienced what I am about to write. I soon came to realize that there is no energy crisis. There is no need for America to go cold or for gas to be rationed. We shall verify these statements as we provide the facts for you. You might be surprised to find that we will also show why the price of gas will remain high, and in fact will go higher than it is now.
 
to keep me somewhat sane, i fill up when the needle hits half full. easier on the mind to spend $40 than $80...



i also tried a mid-grade octane and the lower cost is a wash when compared to the lower gas mileage received than using premium...
 
no more pissed than i was in 1975 when gas doubled to .59 a gallon. but you could also buy a nice new car for $4,000+-. if you live long enough you will see the average car cost $50,000+ and a gallon of fuel $10+. it's called reality.:cry:
 
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