are the problems for toyota/lexus just starting?

jDizzle said:
im curious about the electronic steering issues toyota is having.. i dont understand why anyone would replace a steering column with wires..if you have an issue with the steering system, and no steering column as a backup, then you have absolutley no control over steering.. id personally rather have my throttle stick, than have no steering. seems in my opinion anyway, like a very unnecesary system with a very obvious and serious risks.



At one time I owned a 1988 Supercharged Toyota MR2. Yes, Toyota at one time did build fast, fun, very low volume (2000 sold in 2 years for the USA) cars with a ton of personality. Anyway, my car had electric power steering. No hydraulics or belts driving it, just an electric motor. Since the engine was behind me I guess Toyota figured this was the easiest and best way to go about providing power assist to the little MR2.



The steering on that car was flawless. I never had any problems feeling like I was "out of control". On the contrary, I loved driving that car. The feel of the road, the pure sound of the engine hitting it's 8,500 rpm redline just inches behind me.:aww: Aaah the memories. My point is Toyota knew how to build a proper electrically assisted power steering system well over 20 years ago.
 
metalmania31 said:
This was very real. This was a off duty CHP officer and his family. The Lexus they were in was a loaner while his vehicle was getting some service done to it. It had the push button start so he couldn't just turn the ignition off. Being a loaner he wasn't familiar with the all of the cars functions. Witnesses reported seeing the wheels on fire from the attempts to brake at 100+ mph.



The dealership admitted to putting the wrong floor mats in the car, which is believed to have caused the pedal to get stuck.
 
i think toyota is just getting the worst of it since they are one of the largest automakers in the world and are known for their reliability over other manufacturers.



its unfortunate that there have been deaths because of this issue but you gotta figure, if this recall ranges back to cars sold in 2007 until now, and there has been (this is a guess), 100 failures, thats really not that much and would mean that the odds of it ever happening is extremely extremely low. the deaths of these people should definitely be reason to force a recall, but i dont think toyota's reliabitliy should be questioned like it is now because of this issue.



hell my vw JUST got a coilpack recall a few months ago. its a 2001! and i would say everyone i know that has a 1.8t (including all vwvortex.com forum members) has had a coilpack failure more than once. even my mom's new passat 2.0T had the coilpacks recalled. i cant even tell you how many times ive been stuck on the side of the road because of that damn car!



every car has its faults. some more than others i.e. VW, but i think toyota is getting all the press because they are so large and known to be so reliable.
 
kbohip said:
At one time I owned a 1988 Supercharged Toyota MR2. Yes, Toyota at one time did build fast, fun, very low volume (2000 sold in 2 years for the USA) cars with a ton of personality. Anyway, my car had electric power steering. No hydraulics or belts driving it, just an electric motor. Since the engine was behind me I guess Toyota figured this was the easiest and best way to go about providing power assist to the little MR2.



The steering on that car was flawless. I never had any problems feeling like I was "out of control". On the contrary, I loved driving that car. The feel of the road, the pure sound of the engine hitting it's 8,500 rpm redline just inches behind me.:aww: Aaah the memories. My point is Toyota knew how to build a proper electrically assisted power steering system well over 20 years ago.





toyota just did this in 2009, and for only some of their vehicles. you had electric ASSIST. which is like powersteering using an electric motor... its there for less draw on the motor, instead of having an additional pully for the motor to power, to power your hydraulic pump for power steering.. now toyota has (atleast on the corolla) completley replaced the steering column with electronics, as in no metal shaft as back up. if your elevtrical steering assist failed, you would still have control, jsut no power steering. if a 2009 or 2010 corollas electrical steering failed, there is no link between the steering wheel, and the steering rack.
 
Hey David Fermani, i wish you to tell your stupid comment "i hope so" to the employees and families which work for Toyota throughout this great country whom are not responsible for this problem. Yes toyota needs to resolve this, but before you wish ill will toward something make sure you understand all who will be affected?.....
 
jDizzle said:
toyota just did this in 2009, and for only some of their vehicles. you had electric ASSIST. which is like powersteering using an electric motor... its there for less draw on the motor, instead of having an additional pully for the motor to power, to power your hydraulic pump for power steering.. now toyota has (atleast on the corolla) completley replaced the steering column with electronics, as in no metal shaft as back up. if your elevtrical steering assist failed, you would still have control, jsut no power steering. if a 2009 or 2010 corollas electrical steering failed, there is no link between the steering wheel, and the steering rack.





Wow! I didn't know that. I figured there was at least some sort of physical shaft. Honestly I wouldn't want to drive a car like that. Everything electronic eventually fails but if it's the only thing keeping you from going off that 2,000 foot cliff? Also talk about numb steering. This doesn't bother toyota though as they seem quite content to become the Japanese Buick.
 
toyota is not the only brand doing this.. its actually catching on. several companies are doing their steering electronically now i believe.
 
The biggest problem they will have now is that anyone who has ever been in an accident while driving a Toyota or Lexus is going to blame the company no matter what the circumstances.
 
Tell me about it Scott. We've been pulling gas pedals like crazy for subrogation purposes. Wait until all the vehicle owners and insurance companies try going after Toyota for damages! Not good for Toyota.
 
$3 billion and still counting. Even for Toyota, that's a big chunk of change. I don't care too much about Toyota as its cars are over priced and its corporate attitudes are on the arrogant side.
 
Here's what I think:

Toyota will crash slightly, more problems will happen, they will crash harder, then they will come out with some kind of warranty thing to fix everything (for real this time), people will start trusting Toyota again, and everything will be back to normal.
 
I get why people used to buy Toyota's but personally I think their cars are pretty lame and vanilla - not much personality. And the reason why they put up with the lame/vanilla'ness was because they thought it was reliable and safe - well that illusion is now gone.



I used to have a Celica and a Supra, but after they killed the Supra they didn't have anything for people like me (and no IS350 - I need a manual - and it looks like an old Mazda6 to me). Besides, both of those cars had overheating problems around 130K, cracked headgaskets.



And their stock still isn't cheap. It's barely below the 50 MA at $77. It's at the same place it was in Oct-Dec. With all that's going on it should be closer to $60.



If you're in the market for a Camry type car and you're choosing that over say an Accord or Ford Fusion, you might save a couple thousand now for the Camry, but do you really want to take that extra, more than 0% chance that it won't stop and you'll plow you and your family into a fatal crash? While that's happening you'll be thinking, "man I shoulda just forked out another $1500 for the Accord." I know it's almost completely illogical, but a lot of people won't take that chance, especially since their cars are so lame anyway.
 
TLMitchell said:
This isn't the first time a car company has had these kinds of problems. I seem to recall exploding Pintos and rollovers involving shredded Friestones and I'm pretty sure Ford is still in business. I don't recall them getting dogpiled like this though.



TL



What are you talking about? Ford's reputation has been horrible for decades. Although it wasn't one big incident, it was a string of reliability and safety problems that gave Ford such a crappy reputation. It wasn't until very, very recently that they started making a making a comeback.
 
kbohip said:
After hitting one the throttle got stuck wide open. All I did was push in the clutch and turn off the ignition. God bless the manual transmission!



No doubt manual transmissions have the edge here, but I've yet to see an automatic without a neutral. Shift it to neutral, blow the engine if it comes to that, but at least walk away intact. The accident was terrible, but it's sad to think that a police officer who should have been trained for more aggressive driving than the average motorist didn't remember that simple fact.
 
polyester1970 said:
I get why people used to buy Toyota's but personally I think their cars are pretty lame and vanilla - not much personality. And the reason why they put up with the lame/vanilla'ness was because they thought it was reliable and safe - well that illusion is now gone.



I used to have a Celica and a Supra, but after they killed the Supra they didn't have anything for people like me (and no IS350 - I need a manual - and it looks like an old Mazda6 to me). Besides, both of those cars had overheating problems around 130K, cracked headgaskets.



And their stock still isn't cheap. It's barely below the 50 MA at $77. It's at the same place it was in Oct-Dec. With all that's going on it should be closer to $60.



If you're in the market for a Camry type car and you're choosing that over say an Accord or Ford Fusion, you might save a couple thousand now for the Camry, but do you really want to take that extra, more than 0% chance that it won't stop and you'll plow you and your family into a fatal crash? While that's happening you'll be thinking, "man I shoulda just forked out another $1500 for the Accord." I know it's almost completely illogical, but a lot of people won't take that chance, especially since their cars are so lame anyway.



The 2011 Sonata is a great buy too! It's not lame and looks like a luxury car next to any Chevy or Ford. And, according to the EPA, Hyundai is the most fuel-efficient automaker in America. When you see the Chevy commercial, Chevy only mentions Honda and Toyota, because Hyundai does a better job than Chevy on style and MPG.



As for implying that a Toyota won't stop isn't a fair assessment. Pay close attention to the idiot in California that is trying to smear Toyota.
 
I had it stick with my wifes 2009 matrix. It is a strange feeling! I went to go around a "turtle mini van driver" before the 2 lane road went to one. So I gunned it to get around. When I lifted my foot off the gas, it kept going full throttle for a maybe a little over a hundred yards. There was no one in front of me so I didn't panic. I reached down to pull the floor mat to see if it jammed under it. I pulled it out and the car kept going. It slowed down by itself, after getting up to around 60-65mph in a 35mph zone. I parked it and called my dealer, but they were closed on sunday of course, so I left a message.

I ended up taking it to toyota a couple days later. The funny thing is, they finally called me back a week later about my message. I just said thanks it's fixed and laughed.
 
WASHINGTON – Toyota Motor Corp. faces a maximum penalty of more than $16 million, a record civil penalty against an automaker, for failing to promptly notify the U.S. government about defective gas pedals among its vehicles.



Toyota has recalled more than 6 million vehicles in the U.S., and more than 8 million worldwide, because of acceleration problems in multiple models and braking issues in the Prius hybrid.



Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said Monday that documents obtained from the Japanese automaker showed that Toyota knew of the problem with the sticking gas pedals in late September but did not issue a recall until late January. The sticking gas pedal recall involved 2.3 million vehicles.



"We now have proof that Toyota failed to live up to its legal obligations," LaHood said in a statement. "Worse yet, they knowingly hid a dangerous defect for months from U.S. officials and did not take action to protect millions of drivers and their families."



For those reasons, LaHood said, the government is seeking fine of $16.375 million, the maximum penalty possible. In 2004, General Motors paid a record $1 million fine for responding too slowly on a recall of nearly 600,000 vehicles over windshield wiper failure.



Toyota officials did not immediately respond to the announcement. The automaker has two weeks to accept or contest the penalty.



Under federal law, automakers must notify the department's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration within five days of determining that a safety defect exists and promptly conduct a recall.



The Transportation Department said the penalty against Toyota is specifically tied to the sticking pedal defect and Toyota could face additional penalties under the government's ongoing investigation.



The government has linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by accelerator problems in Toyotas. The recalls have led to congressional hearings, a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors, dozens of lawsuits and an intense review by the Transportation Department.



Toyota has attributed the problem to sticking gas pedals and accelerators that can become jammed in floor mats, and has cited no evidence of an electrical problem. Toyota dealers have fixed 1.7 million vehicles under recall so far.



Consumer groups have said electronics could be the culprit, and dozens of Toyota owners who had their cars fixed in the recall have complained of more problems with their vehicles surging forward unexpectedly.



Reviews of some recent high-profile crashes in San Diego and suburban New York have failed to find a mechanical or electronic problem. In the New York case, a police investigation found that the driver, not the car, was to blame.



Following the recalls, the Transportation Department demanded in February that Toyota turn over documents detailing when and how it learned of the problems with sticking accelerators and with floor mats trapping gas pedals.



NHTSA said documents provided by Toyota showed the automaker knew about the sticky pedal defect since at least Sept. 29, 2009, when it issued repair procedures to distributors in 31 European countries and Canada to address complaints of sticking pedals, sudden increases in engine RPM and sudden vehicle acceleration.



The government said the documents also show that Toyota knew that owners in the United States had experienced the same problems. Toyota has provided NHTSA with more than 70,000 pages of documents during the investigation.
 
Does that sticky pedal affect the disc brakes? My friend who has a lexus that was part of the recall also had problem with his brakes. I am not sure if this has something to do with the pedals.
 
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