Are synthetic waxes or sealants harmful???

I do know most waxes/sealants or APCs tend to irritate my skin pretty badly. I usually wear gloves when handling it... it helps, but I do still suffer some minor effects despite the gloves.



Using handsoap with good moisturizers helps a lot.
 
kapinnn said:
wow, lol.
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Hey, I'm not saying people shouldn't protect themselves, far from it. When you're suffering ill effects is not the time to realize you should have protected yourself. Always better to be safe than sorry.



I'm just objecting to the focus on a specific category of products, with no foundation for the concerns. People have different tolerances, sensitivites, and allergic responses. My friend Jr., who has asthma, seems to be allergic to AIO, but it seems to be the "vapors" from it rather than contact or dust.



I think if this were a general thread about how detailing products may contain some solvents, other possibly sensitizing chemicals, and that dusts of any kind aren't something that you want to inhale on purpose, and we should think about protection when we are detailing, that would be one thing. But this seems to be a witch hunt with no science to back it up (i.e., that sealants are more dangerous than any other products we use or than any other household items we encounter).



Perhaps I'm just fed up with this guy I work with who's compeletly irrational about this stuff.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Ok man, make sure you wear a respirator when your are putting gas in your car, or if you are changing a fuel filter or anything, or even working around your car, because gasoline contains benzene, a known carcinogen. And keep wearing all that safety stuff when you're outside, because there is brake dust and tire dust blowing around, not to mention pollen which could trigger an allergic reaction...speaking of allergic reactions, be careful waxing your car outside, because if you get stung by an insect, it could cause anaphylactic shock which could be fatal.



Why are you obsessing about a microscopic amount of sealant dust, when every day you are in contact with more dangerous compounds? Do you ever use any household cleaners? Do you put bleach in your wash? Do you use toilet bowl cleaner? Drain cleaner? Do you change your own oil? Top it off? Put windshield washer fluid with deadly methanol in it in your car? Anti-freeze? Second-hand smoke? Do you smoke? I work with a guy who thinks that everything we have at work is going to kill him, but he keeps smoking his cancer sticks.



If you are this traumatized by the process, I seriously think you need to seek out a detailer to LSP your car, so you don't expose yourself unecessarily.



Edit: Also make sure to check the contaminant analysis done by your water company (presuming you don't have your own well) because there are all kinds of chemicals, poisons, etc., in the water you drink/bathe/cook with...BUT THEY ARE ALL BELOW SOME ARBITRARILY SET LEVEL. Who knows who set those levels and whether they are REALLY safe? You should get one of those charchoal filter gizmos...just make sure that the glues and so forth holding that filter together aren't leaching any chemicals into your "clean" water, man.
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Take it easy buddy before you give yourself ulcers. Your ridiculous sarcastic analogies do not remotely compare. I'm not traumatized by this process, your reading in way too deep, I'm more cautious and I have a right to be.
 
sixty7mustang22 said:
Coca-Cola is strong enough to neutralize battery acid and it isn't harming me when I drink it.



You have to put stuff into context.
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Doesn't mean a thing - any high school chem student can tell you one should always neutralize a strong acid with a weak base. Doesn't really matter how weak, any base will do. Reason - because you'll never get an exact balance between the acid and the base. Better to use a very weak base so you can over apply the base and not have to worry about creating a condition (spilling a strong base) equal to or worse than what you had in the beginning.



I don't blame the guy for asking the question, just a little surprised at how far off the answers got. This seemed to be one of the more level-headed forums I've joined, until now.



RG
 
Rob22315 said:
Doesn't mean a thing - any high school chem student can tell you one should always neutralize a strong acid with a weak base. Doesn't really matter how weak, any base will do. Reason - because you'll never get an exact balance between the acid and the base. Better to use a very weak base so you can over apply the base and not have to worry about creating a condition (spilling a strong base) equal to or worse than what you had in the beginning.



I don't blame the guy for asking the question, just a little surprised at how far off the answers got. This seemed to be one of the more level-headed forums I've joined, until now.



RG
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Now that I think about it, could you really neutralize battery acid with Coke? Coke has acids as part of its ingredients. Carbonated water is slightly basic. Hmm even less sure about the chemistry here now . . . Or were you exaggerating for effect and I just didn't get it?:think:



RG
 
To be honest I have never given something like this much thought. However when I apply/use most of my products, I don't drink some of the stuff or sniff to get high so I like to think I am safe from anything harmful in them. I do use gloves when cleaning pads and MF, and when using APC, however for polishing I don't have a dust mask on. If there were silicones in them then maybe yes, but AFAIK, most, if not all of my stuff is body shop safe or VOC compliant so I think I am alright in that regards too.



smebbs, an MSDS is a Material Safety Data Sheet.



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Setec Astronomy said:
Before we all get carried away, let's remember that lots of tablets and food have coatings on them, including carnauba wax, to improve their appearence and/or make them easier to swallow. Most "synthetic" wax/sealant is based on silicones, which are also used in food products as defoaming agents, etc.
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Tic-tacs and gummy bears are prime examples of carnauba waxed products that make your breath minty fresh and they taste good too. :rofl



Derrick
 
With all the BS rules and enviro-wacko's most products are safe IF you have sense enough to read the directions. My favorite example of hysteria taking over is the banning of DDT. Of you do the research, DDT NEVER caused the problems it was "supposed" to cause, it's still in use today, and IF it were used more - then hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't have to die from malaria.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Hey, I'm not saying people shouldn't protect themselves, far from it. When you're suffering ill effects is not the time to realize you should have protected yourself. Always better to be safe than sorry.



I'm just objecting to the focus on a specific category of products, with no foundation for the concerns. People have different tolerances, sensitivites, and allergic responses. My friend Jr., who has asthma, seems to be allergic to AIO, but it seems to be the "vapors" from it rather than contact or dust.



I think if this were a general thread about how detailing products may contain some solvents, other possibly sensitizing chemicals, and that dusts of any kind aren't something that you want to inhale on purpose, and we should think about protection when we are detailing, that would be one thing. But this seems to be a witch hunt with no science to back it up (i.e., that sealants are more dangerous than any other products we use or than any other household items we encounter).



Perhaps I'm just fed up with this guy I work with who's compeletly irrational about this stuff.
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I just thought your previous comment was hillarious. I agree with your points.
 
sixty7mustang22 said:
Coca-Cola is strong enough to neutralize battery acid and it isn't harming me when I drink it.



You have to put stuff into context.
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I don't think Coke neutralizes acid at all. All sodas I had played with (sorry, I used to work in a lab and we got bored sometimes) were actually pretty acidic (pH 3-4). Any carbonated drink has carbonic acid and most likely phosporic acid and citric acid. The only "soda" that would neutralize batery acid is baking soda ... lol. :laugh:
 
Couldn't find a pic of Bill Murray in the chemical suit in Caddyshack so this will have to do..
 

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