Applying QD onto wet car before drying??

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G37

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I saw an Adam's video where after washing the car right after rinsing it QD is applied to the wet car then proceded to drying it. All the QD I have used do not say anything about using them on a wet car before drting it but it seems harmless and might help the hard water and might add gloss when done drying??? What do you guys think??
 
G37- I do this at almost every wash, but I blow off most of the water first so the QD isn't too diluted. Doing a "sheeting rinse" might accomplish the same thing if you don't have a simple way of blowing it off.



Besides giving a slight LSP-boost, the QD makes for safer drying, especially if there's a little residual dirt.
 
I used to be I noticed my drying towels beading water. I assumed it was the QD or Aquawax not washing out of my towels completely. I am not having a problem with marring so I probably won't go back to QD/Aquawax drying anytime soon but if I did start noticing marring, I guess I would and wash my drying towels with a Meg's Superdegreaser/Dawn mix like I do my polishing towels to get EVERYTHING out of them.
 
Bert said:
I used to be I noticed my drying towels beading water. I assumed it was the QD or Aquawax not washing out of my towels completely.
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I QD nearly everytime I dry too, however I use sheeting to get rid of most of the water and/or a waffle weave. The final pass is with a regular MF and QD.
 
I was doing this with Pinnacle Crystal Mist, but like above, i noticed my towels no longer picking up water and beading it off. So I figured i'd not do it and save the $20 drying towels. I've tried boiling my towels, washing with microfiber rejuvinator, washing with APC, and using vinegar and nothing seems to bring them back to life. I just use them on wheels now.
 
D_Nyholm said:
I was doing this with Pinnacle Crystal Mist, but like above, i noticed my towels no longer picking up water and beading it off. So I figured i'd not do it and save the $20 drying towels. I've tried boiling my towels, washing with microfiber rejuvinator, washing with APC, and using vinegar and nothing seems to bring them back to life. I just use them on wheels now.
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A strong degreaser like Megs Superdegreaser and Dawn mixed together seem to get the qd out. I have an old wash machine that will need to be replaced soon so I decided I would actually try using the Superdegreaser/Dawn mix in the wash machine figuring if it screwed something up, oh well, I need to buy a new one anyways. Well, I have done so several times washing polish/AIO/paint cleaner/glaze/sealant/wax out of my hand towels and applicators and so far nothing has gone wrong.



My method is to do a medium size load (Dawn foams ALOT, a full load may bubble over) on hot. I use two and a half ounces of Dawn and about a cup of Superdegreaser and turn and then let it go. Because I want to make sure I don't have any Dawn or Superdegreaser in my towels or applicators I run the machine again with regular wash (Tide or Microfiber cleaner is fine). After doing that the towel absorb just great.
 
I use a stnthetic chamisos to dry the car, will this cause a problem drying the car with QD on it?
 
Ill have to give that a try, thanks for the heads up. Now, since i don't have Meg's Superdegreaser (maybe something to add to my next order), would you think that a cup or more of Megs APC+ might do the trick? Or even Zep APC or Simple Green? Those are what I have at my disposal. Let me know what you think and i'll take of the machine from my wife for a day. :)
 
G37- Gee, that's a good question, never tried doing it with a synthetic chamois :think: I *suspect* that the wax/whatever in the QD might clog the pores of drying media like that, but I'm just hypothesizing :nixweiss



Bert- Yikes, that's a healthy dose of Dawn! I'd *NEVER* get all that rinsed out, so I use a lot less. But yeah, Dawn, with a degreaser if necessary, works well for this. I still end up doing several additional washes without detergent and more rinses after that (yeah, my water bill is something else) to get all the suds out.



But I still find that after a while *all* my MF drying towels quit working well. That's one thing I'll give the synthetic chamois/Absorbers/etc., those things simply *work* and keep working. But they never get 100% of the water off for me.



D_Nyholm- I've used all sorts of stuff like that in my (older, agitator-style) washing machine and I've never had any problems. If you overdo the Dawn/whatever you can get some mighty impressive sudsing effects, but I've never had any *damage* from such stuff.
 
Accumulator said:
G37- I do this at almost every wash, but I blow off most of the water first so the QD isn't too diluted. Doing a "sheeting rinse" might accomplish the same thing if you don't have a simple way of blowing it off.



Besides giving a slight LSP-boost, the QD makes for safer drying, especially if there's a little residual dirt.
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He is so right.

I do the same thing.
 
Accumulator said:
G37- Gee, that's a good question, never tried doing it with a synthetic chamois :think: I *suspect* that the wax/whatever in the QD might clog the pores of drying media like that, but I'm just hypothesizing :nixweiss



Bert- Yikes, that's a healthy dose of Dawn! I'd *NEVER* get all that rinsed out, so I use a lot less. But yeah, Dawn, with a degreaser if necessary, works well for this. I still end up doing several additional washes without detergent and more rinses after that (yeah, my water bill is something else) to get all the suds out.



But I still find that after a while *all* my MF drying towels quit working well. That's one thing I'll give the synthetic chamois/Absorbers/etc., those things simply *work* and keep working. But they never get 100% of the water off for me.



D_Nyholm- I've used all sorts of stuff like that in my (older, agitator-style) washing machine and I've never had any problems. If you overdo the Dawn/whatever you can get some mighty impressive sudsing effects, but I've never had any *damage* from such stuff.
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Accumulator, I have tried the QD using a synthetic chamois. I used it with ONR reduced 8:1 as per their instructions. The problem I have found with this is that it streaks...BAD! I normally use it with my MF and have no issues, but decided to experiment one day and observed streaking. I think, as you said, it clogs the pores of the synthetic chamois, just allowing it to glide across the surface without absorbing any of the product. In essence, you are just spreading the product.
 
Street5927 said:
Accumulator, I have tried the QD using a synthetic chamois....it streaks...BAD! ... In essence, you are just spreading the product.
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Ah, OK, roger that. Good to post it, so others don't bother trying something that they might regret :xyxthumbs
 
My standard wash is ONR with a grout sponge, spray with Optimum Instant Detailer, then dry with fluffy or waffle weave MF followed by a standard MF. This leaves the car looking glossy and slick, prolongs the wax job, and minimizes streaking as I tend to wash almost half the car before drying. If I want to wax the car I skip the OID except on the glass, and use OCW between the two drying steps. On wheels I use OCW every time.



Sometimes my towels don't absorb as they should. Other times they do. I'll try some SG in the wash and see if it helps.
 
D_Nyholm said:
Ill have to give that a try, thanks for the heads up. Now, since i don't have Meg's Superdegreaser (maybe something to add to my next order), would you think that a cup or more of Megs APC+ might do the trick? Or even Zep APC or Simple Green? Those are what I have at my disposal. Let me know what you think and i'll take of the machine from my wife for a day. :)
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I use Superdegreaser just due to how strong it is. APC's work well for cleaning pads but Superdegreaser works REALLY well. Just make sure you fully rinse it out. So APC+ should work fine but I bet Simple Green will be a little stronger, again, don't be afraid to due a few extra rinses to get it all out.



Accumulator - I am glad you commented on the dose of Dawn, I double checked my measuring cup and I use ONE and a half ounces not TWO and a half ounces. Thank you for catching that. And saying that I will still do extra rinses if I see suds during the final rinse.
 
Bert said:
.. I double checked my measuring cup and I use ONE and a half ounces not TWO and a half ounces... And saying that I will still do extra rinses if I see suds during the final rinse.
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Even that might be more than I use :think: I generally spot-treat my MFs with Dawn and just add a little more (guesstimating it by eye) so I guess I can't really say just how much I really use :nixweiss
 
Kind of beating a dead horse, but here's some reinforcement from a customer's mouth. He owns 3 black cars which I would clean once a week for him. His old detailer used to tell him "there is no way to avoid swirls on black paint." So he fired him and with a little reccomendation from Esoteric Todd, hired me. For 6 months I've used the same process, MF drying the cars after applying Adam's QD liberally to the wet surface. The customer told me that he has never seen a black last as long as I have made it last.
 
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