Apply Zymol Vintage on top of glaze or no glaze?

pologuy said:
Is the Vintage really all that?



I mean, is it really that much better than Pinnacle Souveran ($85), Swissvax Concorso ($239) , or the Zymol Concorse ($175)....



I mean, its hard for me to imagine spending $2000 on a wax (Vintage), much less $8000 on their Royale and $30,000 on their Solaris...



:wow:
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I guess it depends. Right now I am going through sealants (Werkstat, Ultima, Zaino, Danase). Once I get through all of those (in a year or two), I plan to start trying waxes. I figure with all the hype Souveran gets, I will give it a try. I also want to try P21S 100% and Victoria Wax. If I really get an itch, I may give Swissvax Concorso a try. My theory is if I like the expensive waxes enought to go that route, maybe I should just go with Zymol Vintage. It is a one time shot of approx $1900 instead of constantly pay $85 (plus whatever the price rises to over the years due to inflation) over and over again for Souveran or $239 (plus inflation over the years) over and over again for Concorso. In the long run, you will probably pay less for Zymol even with shipping if you live in the US. If I decide to go with P21S 100%, the choice will be hard since it is only $49 is gets much better durability than Souveran so I won't be buying new tubs over an over again at such a fast rate.



I guess my only worry with Vintage would be what if I bought some and ten years later some type of synthetic product came out which blew all carnauba's out of the water in terms of durability, looks, protection, ease of application, etc and cost less than $100 - what 5 Star and Xzylon claim just are not - yet! Or if in ten years auto paint manufactures came up with paint that is needs no protection what so over. Suddenly that $1900 tub of Vintage is no longer worth anywhere near $1900. That would be my biggest concern in making such a long term purchase.
 
pologuy said:
Heck sign me up for a group buy then, LMAO...



Another $80 for shipping costs to get your "free" refills huh...



:wow:



I was told that your are limited to two "free" refills a year - correct?



:waxing:
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nope, i can refill it as often as i like..... i paid for it and im getting it...you can refill it as often as you like
 
Accumulator said:
[shrug] Are bottles of wine/perfume/whatever "worth" thousands of dollars? IMO the answer to stuff like this is always "if you have to think about the money, it's not for you".
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Accumulator!!!!!! Now we're talking!!!! Let me guess.......you've bought it already.



To answer the question, on the one hand the term "best" is really subjective, because you'd have to weigh Vintage's worth in terms of cost, convenience, as well as performance.



You would actually need to see it in person and competitively match it against other waxes in order to see if it could dominate.



However, if you are asking my personal opinion, I've yet to see a non zymol come close to Vintage's dynamic reflective and rendering range. I would leave the possiblity open for a close competition between Vintage and perhaps Swissvax's higher quality waxes, just to be fair.
 
If you can refill it as often as you want, we need to find someone to get 20 refills a year and sell it or $100 bucks a pop!



:drool:



:LOLOL
 
Why do these threads always devolve into the is it worth it crap? Just answer the question. To the OP, in my experience if you want the best durability out of Vintage apply it alone, no sealant, paint cleanser, glaze, etc. If you want a bit more bling and a little less longevity something like #7, Blackfires new glaze, P21S paintwork cleanser, will all provide a bit more depth (imo).
 
lbls1 said:
Accumulator!!!!!! Now we're talking!!!! Let me guess.......you've bought it already..
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Nah, still don't have the Jag back anyhow (and no other cars I'd use it on are ready-to-wax either) and I'm still turned off by the whole labor-intensive aspect of your beloved Vintaaaage :grinno:



Now if I could find something that doesn't require the heat (to soften it) and the subsequent wipedowns (to remove the rising oils/etc.) I'd still consider it; I'm not so much put off by the price as by these types of aspects...usage characteristics of the product itself.



Or if one of you Zymol-heads would fly down here and do my cars for me.... ;)



Anyway, heh heh, I just got some FK1000p that I want to try on something...I'm going the wrong way on this LSP stuff :o



calgarydetail- Yeah, I spend stupid-money on plenty of stuff too (my taste in wines doesn't run quite that high, thank goodness!) and I absolutely agree with the old "if you have to ask..." adage :xyxthumbs



bert31- I dunno about the obsolescence factor....even though there are plenty of "better" LSPs out there (and I have a bunch of 'em), I still do more waxing with my old 1950s-tech #16 than with anything else. A good product stays good no matter what else is out there, and that valuation of "good" is so individually subjective that our favorites sorta get ranked in a vacuum if you know what I mean.



MDRX8- Heh heh, doesn't that #7 tweak make it a little *more* labor intensive?!? Having spent so many hours with #7 over the years I kinda knee-jerk whenever I think about using it again.
 
No I am to old to apply it with my hands so the FLEX DA gets the job. I do the whole car then remove with Opti ID 1 oz in a spray bottle mixed with water that has ice in it. Put the bottle in the frezzer with out the spray attachment and let it freeze. Then when you are ready defrost in microwave. Comes off like a charm with stunning results. OK say I'm crazy!







MDRX8- Heh heh, doesn't that #7 tweak make it a little *more* labor intensive?!? Having spent so many hours with #7 over the years I kinda knee-jerk whenever I think about using it again.
 
MDRX8 said:
No I am to old to apply it with my hands so the FLEX DA gets the job. ..[description of somewhat involved process]... OK say I'm crazy!
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Huh, so it gets soft enough via the Flex huh?



And while I'm the *last* guy who can call somebody else crazy, that does sound like more that I'm gonna go through on a regular basis ;)
 
OK, I just called Zymol...



They did say that there were no limits on the number of refills you can get per year...



They also told me that they only make the wax after it is ordered, or they receive the container back...



AND there is a waiting list for this $2000 wax until September...



:eek:



So, either they are selling a lot or refilling a lot or both...
 
MDRX8 said:
No I am to old to apply it with my hands so the FLEX DA gets the job. .
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MDRX8, using the Flex is easier? I assumed people used DA's to spread the layer thinner, not for ease. It seems to me, gliding a machine that weight a few pounds over your car would not be much easier than gliding an applicator over the paint.
 
Accumulator said:
Nah, still don't have the Jag back anyhow (and no other cars I'd use it on are ready-to-wax either) and I'm still turned off by the whole labor-intensive aspect of your beloved Vintaaaage :grinno:



Now if I could find something that doesn't require the heat (to soften it) and the subsequent wipedowns (to remove the rising oils/etc.) I'd still consider it; I'm not so much put off by the price as by these types of aspects...usage characteristics of the product itself.



Or if one of you Zymol-heads would fly down here and do my cars for me.... ;)
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Ehhhh...its a Labor of Love...............you'll get over it lol!!!!



Now...a waiting list for the EG Vintage; this is news to me. I was under the impression that they were more than happy to (con) you out of your 2k immediately. That's how it was with me. If there is a waiting list, then it seems that this product has caught on...especially its potential value. Interestin.....



See what happens Accumulator.........when you snooze...you lose...Heh Heh...lolll!!
 
I am old fashion and like to apply wax in a circle. I have bone spurs at the base of my thumbs. So set the flex at a low speed as just guide it around. I would advise not to do the whole car then remove, unless you use the above method. With that high of % nube it gets hard.



bert31 said:
MDRX8, using the Flex is easier? I assumed people used DA's to spread the layer thinner, not for ease. It seems to me, gliding a machine that weight a few pounds over your car would not be much easier than gliding an applicator over the paint.
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[quote name='lbls1']Ehhhh...its a Labor of Love...............you'll get over it lol!!!!/QUOTE]





Heh heh, more like I got over thinking of detailing as a labor of love :o :chuckle:
 
Accumulator said:
[quote name='lbls1']Ehhhh...its a Labor of Love...............you'll get over it lol!!!!/QUOTE]





Heh heh, more like I got over thinking of detailing as a labor of love :o :chuckle:
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So...... how do you do it.....(detailing)....the dog carriers and stuff???? You are gonna need to come up with a method of madness when you get your subscription of EG Vintaaaaaaaghhhe....! Heh heh!
 
Accumulator said:
bert31- I dunno about the obsolescence factor....even though there are plenty of "better" LSPs out there (and I have a bunch of 'em), I still do more waxing with my old 1950s-tech #16 than with anything else. A good product stays good no matter what else is out there, and that valuation of "good" is so individually subjective that our favorites sorta get ranked in a vacuum if you know what I mean.
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I know, and I am not saying for sure something eventually will come out which makes carnauba wax obsolete but, with technology the way it is, something could come out in the next generation or two that could make that $1,900 long term investment no longer seem like such a great idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it had more to do with paint technology than sealant/sythetic wax technology since paint manufacturers are larger and have a much larger R&D budget.
 
Eh...I'm always dragging these threads off-topic :o



bert31- Yeah, roger that. I sure wouldn't mind maintenance-free paint :D



lbls1- Heh heh, how do I do it? Grudgingly ;)
 
Accumulator said:
Eh...I'm always dragging these threads off-topic :o



bert31- Yeah, roger that. I sure wouldn't mind maintenance-free paint :D



lbls1- Heh heh, how do I do it? Grudgingly ;)
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Heh Heh..........its all in da wrist!!!! Back angle is also important (really...you don't want to be bent or in an odd position with your back for too long or else its misery). A lot of spare time also helps....of which I never seem to have enough of!!
 
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