Anyone try Carnauba over Z5, Z8, or ZCS?

OUt of curiousity why would you want to? Looks, that I can understand. But if CS really has 9 months of protection, I do not think it would be necessary.
 
Danforz said:
I've heard that it effects the optics negatively. I'm curious if anyone has pics, opinions, etc.?
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Some detailers like the looks of carnuaba-based products. Yes, carnuaba can be applied over CS. These must be low solvent waxes.



Will the solvents of a carnuaba-based product remove CS?:nixweiss
 
joshtpa said:
OUt of curiousity why would you want to? Looks, that I can understand. But if CS really has 9 months of protection, I do not think it would be necessary.
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Are you saying CS alone has 9 months protection...If I understood Sal right he said it will extend a Z5 or Z2 finish for that duration ...it sounded like a very interesting product...I was impressed with how it was explained to me...Sal was a real nice guy to talk to...boy does he like to talk..but never once pitched his product..just gave tech info on them..I respected that..



AL
 
Danforz said:
I've heard that it effects the optics negatively. I'm curious if anyone has pics, opinions, etc.?
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i layer a carnauba over synthetic/acrylics during winter



i prefer the look of a carnauba on solid colours, and use a synthetic/acrylic base so that if i dont get a chance to re-wax or go a whole month without a proper wash, at least the paint will still be protected if the carnauba wears down



a carnauba generally isnt as optically perfect as a sealant, especially Z2, so it will reduce clarity, the amount depends on the product. Having said that though i found sealant like clarity in the Swissol Concorso im now using http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/scascone/350zc/dp4in1/134_3481.jpg



i will be layering the Concorso over Z2-Pro for the first time very soon on a solid yellow car. I'll post a thread with pics of before and after the carnauba LSP, so keep an eye out if you're keen
 
AL-53 said:
Are you saying CS alone has 9 months protection...If I understood Sal right he said it will extend a Z5 or Z2 finish for that duration ...
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This is what I have questioned all along...about it being a 9 month product on its own. I had the initial understanding that it will extend Z2 or Z5 to 9 months, and even the Z website alluded to this right after it was released in the CS product description...about it being used as a topper to Z2 or Z5 to get 9 months. Now, the product description for CS has since changed to exclude that language entirely and it makes it sound like a 9 month product on its own. :nixweiss:
 
AL-53 said:
Are you saying CS alone has 9 months protection...If I understood Sal right he said it will extend a Z5 or Z2 finish for that duration ...it sounded like a very interesting product...I was impressed with how it was explained to me...Sal was a real nice guy to talk to...boy does he like to talk..but never once pitched his product..just gave tech info on them..I respected that..



AL
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Hi Al,

Yes, Sal is wonderful to talk about detailing.



CS is a stand alone LSP with about 9 month durability. CS does not need Z2 or Z5 as a base to achieve this durability. CS has always been described as such.

Follow application directions (clean surface) and one should expect excellent results. I've received 4 winter months so far (no snow but lots of rain) on my 24/7 outdoors DD's. Durability criteria I use: Appearance, self-cleaning, slickness (after washing) and beading.
 
The website description HAS changed. It does say that CS alone will give 9 months of protection. I am not going to question it, until I see, but that seems crazy to me. Especially since the description has changed. On a side note, Sal is great to talk to. He did pitch his stuff a little to me, but I am okay with that. I like his Z5 pro a lot.
 
I am not trying to start any arquement by any means..but the site does say UP TO...



For up to 9 months protection, use Z-CS to top coat Zaino Show Car Polish protectants, or use Z-CS by itself



so after a talk with Sal..the UP TO seems to be when you top Z5 or Z2...



I see no refrence to it saying as a stand alone 9 months..it is just I was told Z5 topped with CS will hold up for 9 months..



Still grabs my interest...will be a spring order..to see how it works..if good will be my winter topper over DG for the extra zump...salt sucks..



Al
 
These discussions are how we learn about new products and fight thru the muck.



from Zaino Site (CS instructions)



NOTE: Z-CS is extremely durable and should provide "up to 9 months of protection" for your vehicle. If your goals are maximum shine and maximum protection on everyday vehicles, we recommend 3-4 applications per year. For show car owners, integrating Z-CS with regular use of Z-2 or Z-5 PRO will provide the wettest-looking, deepest, most distortion-free finish you can imagine. For best results, maintain with Z-6 Gloss Enhancer Spray or Z-8 Spray Seal and Z-7 Show Car Wash..



This was verified with a conversation with Sal a few minutes ago.

I see where the other statement is confusing.:hairpull
 
Yeah, that's the newest version of the CS writeup. The original read something like "use CS as a topper to Z2 or Z5 to augment protection to 9 months."



There is a huge difference in these two statements. One is essentially meaning that CS is a 3 month protectant, and the other a 9 month. That's a pretty big and meaningful variation. Which is correct? Waiting for long term testing for me...
 
If you have a very well prepped surface and apply z5 pro with zfx 2 or 3 coats, it will be very hard to improve on this look. I have a ton of waxes here and have tried topping, but I have seen very little to no improvement at all. Plus the carnuba will take away the great beading of z5. I would only top with CS if you wanted that extra pop or just top with z8 which is also a great glow.



I have tested so many LSP's in the past 2 years and I have a very crucial eye for detail and thick gloss. A couple coats of z5 on a very well prepped surface has more than impressed me on looks, durability, ease of use, and the clarity.



The reason I love z5 pro the best is cause, it shows off my best talent of my extreme prepped surface and all my hard work! It highlights my talent and my skill! CS and z8 make z5 pro even better looking!



If you do top let us know how it goes. Just make sure there is no solvent base in the wax or it will take away the look of z5. Do what I did and test on certain fenders and see if you notice any improvement!
 
TigerMike said:
Yeah, that's the newest version of the CS writeup. The original read something like "use CS as a topper to Z2 or Z5 to augment protection to 9 months."



There is a huge difference in these two statements. One is essentially meaning that CS is a 3 month protectant, and the other a 9 month. That's a pretty big and meaningful variation. Which is correct? Waiting for long term testing for me...
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One of the Beta testers got 6 months plus out of CS as a stand alone. I don't think durability will be an issue at all.
 
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