anyone NOT impressed with Klasse AIO?

AIO looks fantastic on my Arctic Silver paint left as is. I really doubt the avearage car enthusiast could distinguish two equally prep'd cars with on having two AIO applications from another car with the full works (polish/seal/topper/etc).

I think if you topped that AIO-only car with a quick wax like 425, or Aqua Wax after each wash, clayed from time to time, well your car would look new all the time with no oxidation or rotting of paint/clear coat.



If you only had one product you could use this would be it. Well at least the old formula.
 
Since AIO and JW Prime(and the varying versions of it) are both Carlack based and the JW line is the newer formulation, would there be a case to buy AIO over JW?



Currently, my hood has been covered with Prime Strong for about a month..still looks good, but the beads aren't as tight as my #16 covered sides
 
sspeer said:
Since AIO and JW Prime(and the varying versions of it) are both Carlack based and the JW line is the newer formulation, would there be a case to buy AIO over JW?



Currently, my hood has been covered with Prime Strong for about a month..still looks good, but the beads aren't as tight as my #16 covered sides
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personally I'd stick with the JW line.
 
I have a jug of the pre VOC AIO and a new Jug of AIO...the only difference I seen in both is the little less cleaning power of the new but not much less..but as far as shine both look the same..I do not use AIO as a stand alone...so durability is not a issue...mainly used to clean and as a base for a sealant....both work good for that....



some have claimed big differences..I have not seen it....and have heard it gives outstanding results...



Jeff's would be a good choice also ..it is a tweaked up version...and you have different levels...





Also a very over looked AIO is Duragloss #101 it is a very good cleaner and leaves a durable finish..only draw back is you may not be able to use Acrylic Jet or Klasse sealant .I never tried using them over 101..but I am assuming they would not bond correctly....but is is a good cleaner AIO type product





AL
 
I wasnt impressed with AIO or SG. Never used an entire bottle of either, ended up sitting for so long, I either chucked it or gave it to someone else.......
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
I wasnt impressed with AIO or SG. Never used an entire bottle of either, ended up sitting for so long, I either chucked it or gave it to someone else.......
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I have to agree. I always thought AIO and SG were very overrated, in both looks and durability. They just never offered me much of anything special, except a hard time in the usage department.



AIO is a good cleaner, but I cannot remember the last time I needed it as such. And, AIO's durability is laughable.



I know people have raged on about the K twins for years around here, but for me, they never were to my liking.
 
IMO AIO is outdated. It isn't strong enough to remove swirls so it must be preceded with a good abrasive polish. It doesn't have the protection ability of the best sealants. Why bother? IMO a good cleaning polish like ZPC followed by a good sealent is better. AIO only serves to add an additional step.





I have to agree. I always thought AIO and SG were very overrated, in both looks and durability. They just never offered me much of anything special, except a hard time in the usage department. AIO is a good cleaner, but I cannot remember the last time I needed it as such. And, AIO's durability is laughable. I know people have raged on about the K twins for years around here, but for me, they never were to my liking.





I wasnt impressed with AIO or SG. Never used an entire bottle of either, ended up sitting for so long, I either chucked it or gave it to someone else.......





Wow! I'm relieved to hear that I haven't been the only one who has always wondered why so many people make such a big deal out of AIO (for paint prep). I thought I might be out of my mind. . . :nervous:
 
When you stumble into forums like this and Detail City, and hit some of the web sites selling stuff you've never heard of - it's tough to make a decision. I took a chance and bought about 750 dollars worth of stuff, PC, WG, XMT, Meg's and other products. I did not buy the Klasse twins, after reading this thread (first one of it's kind that I've seen) I feel lucky. The only products I wish I had not ordered - (slipping into flame retardant boxers) are Natty's Blue - too much hassle wiping off and Wheel Wax - the first quick dry concrete for for rims. That and I ordered way too many 6.5 inch pads for the PC were my only regrets, and I can live with that.
 
:funnypost Someone finally gave AIO some defense. j/k



AIO has worked very well for me, but it wont stop me from trying the werkstatt line, or FAJ/FMJ - I just have 33 oz of it to use up first . . .



There is without a doubt a difference in preformance in the post VOC formula. Never had the luxury of trying the pre VOC formula :(



to each his own i suppose . . .
 
I think a good analogy for AIO is a Swiss Army Knife..it's definitely useful and handy if you were limited on what you had but don't expect to saw down a tree or fix a tank with it.





A good use of AIO that I haven't tried yet is for metal polish...just use it with some extremely fine steel wool



I'm one of the testers for the Polycharger and I plan on boosting KSG. It sounds like addresses all of SGs shortcomings: makes it easier to use, can do back to back applications, and improves the appearance a bit. I'm looking forward to finding out
 
JuneBug said:
The only products I wish I had not ordered - (slipping into flame retardant boxers) are Natty's Blue - too much hassle wiping off
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You apply Nattys too thick then. Removing any LSP (even KSG) should be easy, assuming you applied it very thin like you should.
 
AIO and KSG are not some flash in the pan/ flavor of the month auto detailing product.



They have been around for a long time and they have stood the test of time because they have consistently produced and continue to produce excellent results.



Whether you like the looks of AIO/KSG of course is a subjective matter. The "candy coating" look may not be to everyone's liking. In addition, as with most products, results may vary depending on the color of your paint.



Having said that, I am a AIO/KSG user on my personal vehicle (a tan 2005 Mazda 6) and I could not be happier with the results in terms of looks or durability/protection. Moreover, the difficulty of application is entirely based on people trying to apply way too much KSG. In my experience, if you apply KSG the way it should be (whisper thin) it is incredibly easy to apply and remove.



The durability remains among the very best available IMO (along with the likes of Zaino, Werkstatt, Collinite, Duragloss, etc.)



I just thought I should throw out a Klasse defense to balance out the drubbing that a great product is taking in this thread.
 
Milestones said:
I just thought I should throw out a Klasse defense to balance out the drubbing that a great product is taking in this thread.
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Where is Klasse taking a "drubbing"? The majority of the posters like it overall. But, "a great product for you" is not necessarily the same for others (necessarily).



I've applied AIO as thin as humanly possible many times on various paints and colors (this was the original formula), and it does buff off easily and look good as an LSP. However it does little to improve the condition of the paint and in MY experience, has lasted 3 months at best as a LSP.



That's in contrast to Zaino Z2, which I started using several months ago; one ZFX application applied to both my Nissan and the wife's Mazda, and their both shining far better than they did with AIO. Five months after that one application, the beading just won't die, and the look is still fantastic. So considering durability, IMHO there's no comparison between Zaino and AIO.



I also get far better durability with 1Z Glanz and Blitz Wax; Natty's Blue and UPP last at least as long.
 
White95Max said:
Then it was all in your head, because as I said, a great looking car doesn't come from an LSP.
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If you find AIO satisfactory, fine. I've got higher standards than you, and it fails to satisfy me.



:bounce That's the shine and clarity I can get with SG. I'm sorry to hear that you can't get that. I'm even more sorry to hear that you believe that no one else can either.



Clearly you need some training in how to use products like SG properly. Feel free to drop me a line and we can schedule a time for you to come over and learn how to properly prep and shine a car.
 
foxtrapper said:
:bounce That's the shine and clarity I can get with SG. I'm sorry to hear that you can't get that. I'm even more sorry to hear that you believe that no one else can either.
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I can't recall stating that nobody can get good clarity with SG. Please point out where I said that.



Clearly you need some training in how to use products like SG properly. Feel free to drop me a line and we can schedule a time for you to come over and learn how to properly prep and shine a car.
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I do know how to use SG properly, which is why you don't see me b*tching about how difficult it is to use. If you apply it thin enough, it's as easy to use as any other sealant.
 
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