Anyone concerned about the future of detailing products? (flame city)

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I have to admit there’s a part of me that wasn’t pulling for NXT to be successful. (flame city) I know my thinking is flawed, but here’s my rationale.



First, I haven’t tried NXT yet, but after reading the initial positive reviews it’s my understanding that it is a very good product, but not a panacea for all paint problems.



I’ve invested a considerable amount of effort, time, and money to become the detailer I am today, and I still have a lot to learn. I enjoy the challenge of matching the best product for each individual vehicle and the more experience I gain the better suited I become to meet this challenge. I just don’t want to see the day that my neighbor takes his “beater� to the local automatic car wash and slaps on some miracle product that rivals my best work.



In a couple of years will NXT version 2.0 address the majority of paint problems and desirable characteristics of wax/sealants in one miracle product? Will anyone who has $15 and a way to get to Wally World become an expert detailer?



I know this is an overstatement, but do you see my point?

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Think of it this way, if technology for the off the shelf products is going to increase, so is technology for the professional products, buffers, pads, towels etc. Think of what your knowledge and skill paired with these new products Joe on the street won't have access to will make you capable of doing, I wouldn't be worried.



Anyways, like I said in a thread a while back about NXT (actually I think you posted it, asking if NXT will hurt detailers) people STILL have to go buy it at a store, and apply it without doing more damage than there already is. You have more faith in the average car owner than I do ;)
 
No way. There are many steps where the average person can screw up their car. Plus, those that buy their own wax, no matter if it's nxt, zaino, or turtlewax, are probably do-it-yourself'ers who wouldn't be the type to take their car to a professional anyway.



On another note, NXT did very little to hide minor swirling on my car. It does nothing for major marks.



-Raymond
 
GoodnClean said:
Anyways, like I said in a thread a while back about NXT (actually I think you posted it, asking if NXT will hurt detailers) people STILL have to go buy it at a store, and apply it without doing more damage than there already is. You have more faith in the average car owner than I do ;)
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Exactly. Unless an upcoming version of NXT will completely remove all dirt, tar, contaminants, swirls, and add gloss in one step when applied in a thick coat (and removed) with a dirty shop rag under the Texas sun, I think that people who go "the extra mile" when detailing will still by far have the best looking paint. :)
 
Your logic baffles me.



This is like the local porsche or ferrari engine mechanic afraid of losing business due to the release of Zmax and the Tornado products.
 
NHBFAN said:
..I know my thinking is flawed, but here’s my rationale.
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NHBFAN- Heh heh, when you KNOW your logic is flawed, maybe it's time to rethink it ;)



NOT gonna flame you, but*I* take the exact OPPOSITE view about new products :) :cool: I'm all for progress, period. For me, the more nice things (like shiny, good looking cars) in this world the better, and I couldn't care less about my efforts vs. other people's. I wish people who DON'T allocate time to car care could have nice looking cars too.



Used to be only "experts" could give ya a decent shave, and I bet a lot of barbers were dismayed when they came out with safety razors, let ALONE electric ones! Sorta the same thing.



I myself still prefer single-stage lacquer (and I don't mind busting my tail to keep it nice), but I think it's pretty cool that modern basecoat/clears let the average beater car look so good. Back in the day, only really serious "car nuts" had rides that even looked DECENT, most cars looked like crap when they were six months old (and rusted out after a few years, too). Now the streets are a purdier place :)



Oh, and *I* would sure LIKE to have some miracle product for my beaters, it'd leave more time for all that work on the good ones!
 
GoodnClean said:
Anyways, like I said in a thread a while back about NXT (actually I think you posted it, asking if NXT will hurt detailers)
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Nope it wasn't me who posted that one.



Like I said, I know NXT isn't the cure all, but it has narrowed the gap between most off the shelf products and what most autopians use as far as waxes/sealants.



I don't believe there will be an off the shelf product in the very near future that will address all paint problems. But, I do think it is conceviable that there could be a product to address 80% of paint problems as well as provide excellent protection and shine in the not so distant future.



I'm still not sure NXT is going to be a marketing success. Most consumers will probably opt for some $7.99 product with a fancy package and the word "carnuba" in it, before they shell out $15 for NXT ... we'll have to see.
 
Accumulator said:
NHBFAN- Heh heh, when you KNOW your logic is flawed, maybe it's time to rethink it ;)
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Well, actually my logic is flawed because the accessibility of the product will lead me to picking up a bottle or two, or five, the next time I'm at Wally World.



If the initial reviews hold up ... I want on the bandwagon too!
 
No flames here, because there will never be such a miracle product. If the hype sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
 
NHBFAN said:


I’ve invested a considerable amount of effort, time, and money to become the detailer I am today, and I still have a lot to learn. I enjoy the challenge of matching the best product for each individual vehicle and the more experience I gain the better suited I become to meet this challenge. I just don’t want to see the day that my neighbor takes his “beater� to the local automatic car wash and slaps on some miracle product that rivals my best work.
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You seem genuinely concerned abouth this. That being the case think about this. Manufacturers that create composite body panels with the colors molded into the panel. 10 times more durable than the best clear coats of today. That should keep you up at night. :D
 
raymond_ho2002 said:


On another note, NXT did very little to hide minor swirling on my car. It does nothing for major marks.
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Mine too though the shine and depth were excellent. I did this intentially with less than my usual surface prep just to see how it worked. Waited a couple of days and put on a second coat. Slight improvement. Waited a couple more days and put some S100 on and the little buggers disappeared. All in all I think it's a pretty decent product but I won't be throwing the rest of my products out. :cool:
 
If the next generation of NXT will hide the mars my neighbor puts in the hood of his 1 year old Accord with the plastic snow shovel every time it snows or the mars he makes in the hood using a pot scrubber to get off tree sap .... NHB.. then start to worry.



BTW he says the Honda paint is crap. :nixweiss
 
Trust me.



NXT is not going to threaten our business. It is an easy on, easy off sealant that will have a substantial following.



Need something to worry about?

Do a search on CERAMIC clearcoats. Your new Maybach might never need buffing!



That could be (over time) a career killer.



Jim
 
LouisanaJeeper said:




This is like the local porsche or ferrari engine mechanic afraid of losing business due to the release of Zmax and the Tornado products.
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:lol



The average person would sooner take a swim in a septic tank than spend time waxing their car anyway....and when they do, the vast majority price shop.
 
GearHead_1 said:
Manufacturers that create composite body panels with the colors molded into the panel. 10 times more durable than the best clear coats of today. That should keep you up at night. :D
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What??????? :scared :scared :scared :shocked



blasphemy!
 
The average NXT buyer will be the guy that buys a new car and starts out wanting to keep the car like new. He will only choose the NXT because he will recognize the Meguiar's name and surmise that its probably a better "wax" than the others on the "shelf of confusion" because its 15 bucks instead of 9. He will take his NXT, a bottle of Blue Coral car wash and a new bottle of Armor-All home, resolving to take care of this new car, unlike the last 4 that he has owned.

He will wash the car with all "new" old T-shirts and follow the very indepth directions on each and every label.....pretty closely.

After spending 3 hours removing the half inch thick layer of NXT(because if a little is good, a whole bunch is better), he will stand back and admire his own work, looking past the swirls he just induced while washing with an old pair of tighty whiteys, and thinking 'that should do it until next spring'. 12 months later he will still be washing the car every 2 weeks but he wont seem to ever find the time to use that bottle of NXT again because it took 8 hours to do the car last time and 6 months for the stuff he got in the trim to finally wear off.

Year 2, the dusty bottle of NXT will be sitting on a shelf next to the same oil filter he bought back when the car was brand new, still 2/3rds full, with crusty dried residue leading from the cap down one side of the bottle from its one and only use.



No consumer product on the market, including NXT, is going to have any impact at all on pro detailers. Everything thats available, still has to be applied....
 
NozeBleedSpeed said:
No consumer product on the market, including NXT, is going to have any impact at all on pro detailers. Everything thats available, still has to be applied....
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I wouldn't expect the current consumer version of NXT to I have any impact on professional detailers.



But, if the initial reviews hold up ... NXT has immediately closed the gap between consumer products and the very best enthusiast products available.
 
NHBFAN said:
I wouldn't expect the current consumer version of NXT to I have any impact on professional detailers.



But, if the initial reviews hold up ... NXT has immediately closed the gap between consumer products and the very best enthusiast products available.
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That's the thing... initial reviews rarely hold up. They are opinions based on assumptions based on whoknowswhat. As users get more experience and their eye gets more critical, weaknesses are exposed. Use it, read about it, compare it, give it time to breath a little. Let's not make assumptions about the perceived gap between car care products until there's been more analysis.
 
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