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Corey Bit Spank
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Well I'm really hoping that China starts supplying Chrysler with cars so that I can take one for a test drive through the front doors of Walmart.
imported_Nimble
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azenthusiast said:Here's Three Reasons I meant Jeep
The H1 is awesome! But the H2 and H3 have become realtor status symbols in AZ.
A man with taste. The single most hideous car on the road is the Hummer H2. Can't stand it or the tuff guy owners ramming their ways around. I too remember that article about the H2 that tried off roading only to rip the drivetrain to pieces in one try. I see more women driving them up in the rich Chicago 'burbs ironically. MOVE OVER, I'MA COMIN THROUGH!!!! HUMMA!!!! :woohoo:
Monte78Carlo2k1
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Say what you wanna say I love those trucks. Yes there are a lot more people doing thing to them for more of a street look rather than what they SHOULD be aimed at. But we had a H2 and the only complaint was that it sucked gas like no other. We even did some off roading with it, didnt have any complaints. The H2 and H3 are just as capable as the Jeeps! Not GM's fault that the rappers like to PIMP them out. Unfortunately, they do and fortunately they do because its all money in the end for the General.
I respect the Jeep. I will never own one. I have driven multiple Wranglers and I just dont feel safe. I hate the feeling of the short wheel base. But to each there own or however the saying goes.:think2
I respect the Jeep. I will never own one. I have driven multiple Wranglers and I just dont feel safe. I hate the feeling of the short wheel base. But to each there own or however the saying goes.:think2
azenthusiast
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Monte78Carlo2k1 said:
i agree with you on trucks, just not hummers lol. As much as I like Jeeps, my next vehicle will most likely be a full size truck. Wranglers aren't very good at towing, the Liberties have gotten too expensive, and the other Jeeps arent my type. I'll always like them, but to me they are more of a second, weekend vehicle. And Hummer does encourage the image they have, the majority of their advertising shows Hummers in cities now.
The last time I purchased a US car was in 1974, a Cadillac, brand new. What a piece of junk I sold in a year and half. I never when back to US cars since. If you look and read you will see the top ten most reliable cars are Japanese. Based on this why should any one in his right mind buy a US label. I would love to. I owe a Porsche and was thinking Corvette next. That is until I read up a it's reliability.
Most new car a warranty, true, but who want to live at the dealers repair shop.
I terms of German car etc, while they are not as reliable as Japanese car, they generally look nicer and preform better than American label cars.
I think that the US makers never believed that this could happen to them, so they never closely listen to their customer. Now it may be too late.
The strange thing is will our tanks and military vechiles will have Japanesse labels on them. Because when Ford and GM go under, who will be around. What a sorry state of affiars.
Most new car a warranty, true, but who want to live at the dealers repair shop.
I terms of German car etc, while they are not as reliable as Japanese car, they generally look nicer and preform better than American label cars.
I think that the US makers never believed that this could happen to them, so they never closely listen to their customer. Now it may be too late.
The strange thing is will our tanks and military vechiles will have Japanesse labels on them. Because when Ford and GM go under, who will be around. What a sorry state of affiars.
Monte78Carlo2k1
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GM and Ford will not go under they will survive. Since when was the Corvette not reliable. I havent heard of the Corvette have reliability problems. What were they?
azenthusiast
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tabinha said:
You must not be reading the same articles as me. According to an MSNBC article, "U.S. automakers follow with 16 problems per 100, while European manufacturers have 19 problems per 100 cars." So as far as I can tell you'd be better off with the Vette than the Porsche. Also, 1974 was a long time ago. Basing your opinion off a vehicle purchase 23 years ago is not a very good indicator IMO.
imported_truzoom
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Monte78Carlo2k1 said:
Come on, nobody knows that, and nobody knows if Toyota or Honda will survive. Any company has an equal opportunity of failure given the right conditions. You seem to be quite on the defensive here, but rather than take D for every anti-American point, why not contribute something more meaningful?
I apologize if I come off as brash, but it seems like if you continually defend one side of the subject, it's likely to turn into a debate, which could turn into an argument, and then the thread would be closed.
As the original poster said,
It seems all he wanted were some mature, well-thought out points regarding the views on American automobile manufacturers.
:xyxthumbs
imported_Nimble
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Speaking ocf contributing something meaningful. I thank all the Hummer and truck drivers (those that don't NEED them, not farmers, etc) for helping to put 40 million TONS on CO2 into the Earth's atmosphere every day. We're on track to double the Earth's concentration of CO2 in only 50 yrs. Global warming is here and a real issue. That is, unless you think the Earth's crop growing landscapes aren't important. Or having the ice caps melt and add 20 FEET to the seas=bye bye costal cities. We all think it's so ironic that we have been getting all these strong Hurricanes, Cyclones, and Typhoons, but it's simply from warmer ocean surface temps. I drive a 40 mpg car, what are you doing to help?
robertrinaustin
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I think the Amercian manufacturers are still paying for past sins. If you look at objective measures of quality like Consumer Reports and and JD Powers, the domestics do well and just about equal the Japanese competition. This wasn't the case in the past.
But back to the OP, I would buy the Ford Focus RS if it was sold in the US. I like small, small displacement, turbo charged AWD cars, think rally car. I have a few choices in the US and none are domestic. I have owned a WRX and currently own an EVO. If Ford sold the RS in the US (300 hp, AWD), I would buy it in a minute. Unfortunately, Ford won't bring it to the US, because it will outperform the Mustang.
But back to the OP, I would buy the Ford Focus RS if it was sold in the US. I like small, small displacement, turbo charged AWD cars, think rally car. I have a few choices in the US and none are domestic. I have owned a WRX and currently own an EVO. If Ford sold the RS in the US (300 hp, AWD), I would buy it in a minute. Unfortunately, Ford won't bring it to the US, because it will outperform the Mustang.
azenthusiast
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Nimble said:
The sad part is so many people think that's just BS. I think I heard that about 75% of scientists agree that global warming is real.
Unfortunately people who advocate helping the environment get ridiculed and laughed at right away. Look at Al Gore, a lot of people discredit him simply because he's Al Gore.
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Monte78Carlo2k1
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truzoom said:
Excuss me but I really dont know how to take that. What feels like an attack is what you just said. "It seems all he wanted were some mature, well-thought out points regarding the views on American automobile manufacturers." :wow: Maybe the tone of your post was taken wrong...If you really have a problem with the way I am carrying myself please pm me and leave it out of the thread. And I dont know if you have noticed I never just defended American Companies; generally speaking I am because the thread does say AMERICAN OR FORIEGN. There were some comments that I did make that didnt defend GM. Please PM me.
Corey Bit Spank
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metload1 said:
I think the real reason to reduce emissions is to improve the health of America in general. There are a great deal of diseases which are caused by pollution. This is not debated. I would become defensive if somebody told me I was more responsible for the increase in pollution related diseases due to my lifestyle choices.
The truth is that Americans have lost the compassion that they once had for each other. It's about the individual American right to choose and so they draw an illogical conclusion that it also means they lack a greater responsibility when making their decisions. Flaunting the right to choose is seen as patriotic. It somehow makes people more American if they choose cars that are impractical because they don't need a reason. Uber American!
imported_Nimble
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azenthusiast said:
I tell ya what than my asian enthusiast, don't READ IT if it's so bothersome to you. So the long term effect of a 50mpg prius is worse than a 12 mpg truck? ok
Now I'll start the ripping apart of your argument.
You truely think that taking 400 people and getting them out of cars and onto ONE TRAIN is worse?! Noted for your thought process.
You think taking 200+ people on a 2 hour flight from chicago to CA is adding more CO2 to the atmosphere than 200 suvs blazing down the road for 14 hours? See where I'm going with this? Thought so.
Oh and one last thing, figures you are being defensive being a Jeep owner and all. Must suck to have bought the one Jeep with no power, girl looks, no off road abiliy, and all the terrible gas mileage. Have fun with the $4 gas. :nono