Alternatives to HD-Cleanse?

whoahh.. Good that you're picking my brain. Give me a crack at explaining it...



Hmm..

1. The QD has to be very mild so as (like Mikeyc explained) it doesn't disturb the wax. An ideal qd would be a product that is neutral that doesn't add a significant amount of wax but does an excellent job at cleaning residue and leaving a hint of gloss (you really want a cleaning product that doesn't strip wax). I have had a lot of success in that regard with Sonus' Carnauba Spritz. You have to make sure that you do not put too much qd on the car (even the mildest formulas), and you have to insure that you spread and dissolve it well. In the winter (when my waxing season is over) I will use the qd more liberally, but making sure that you only mist the surface with the product, and dissolving it completely.



2. There are qds that are heavy and actually intend to give you more of a wax shine. Brands that come to mind are megs quick shine, mothers, and one or two at the moment that I can't think of. The more wax (those spray products have crude wax and other shine enhancing ingredients) applied that doesn't match the zymol formula, the more dirt and distortion (being careful with that word Bence!) you will end up producing because some of those spray enhancers will not be as optically clear as the zymol wax formula that you are using. You are much better off with a mild spray product that cleans the surface instead of trying to produce a shine on top of your existing (and excellent) zymol finish.



3. SAG is a great product. It shouldn't really be used as a qd on a waxed surface. I like it because it is extremely thin and it is a non wax formula. It really works well with polish formulas, and to me it does an excellent job of neutralizing any lingering film that you may have from your polish residue that you will work off after the polishing phases. You should clean up the surface first with buffing off the residue and then using a non wax spritz. Follow this step with a misting of the SAG, and what will be left is an amazingly clean and slickened surface. The sag will not attempt to render a finished shine like a sealant, and because it is a neutral and weak product, it will not offer a protective seal of the paint. It has given me excellent results in the recent past. I would check out some of JW's products and try a sampling on a polished surface as to get a feel of the results. You don't want to see a finish resembling a waxed or "zainoed" finish, but rather a super clean and clear result. If you want to trust me, then you can also try and compare SAG to see if your curiosity is satisfied.



4. Zymol works best on a clean and clear finish that doesn't have other waxes or sealants on it. You do not want to put that wax on top of an lsp's finish, because you may not get the full depth of range and clarity, and most important, the color response and metallic flake sparkle (In my honest opinion) as you would with just the EGZymol. The SAG will not hinder the Zymol because (as I've said earlier) it doesn't offer a rendering effect as opposed to a cleaning effect and resolving any left over polish residue. I will also say that if you are unsure about any of the glanzes or any other product, that you should skip them for now, and finish your polishing phase with either the finishing polish or hd cleanse, and then apply the EGZymol. You can experiment at other times with someone else's car (kidding) or in your spare time, so as to plan for your next big clean.



Ok what else..!?! One more thing. HD cleanse will work with a buffer, but the EGZ's must be applied by hand. Some of the HCZ's (Hand Crafted Zymol) may lend themselves to being applied by the pc (Japon comes to mind).
 
Ok you want to clean off your old waxes and sealants. This was my last detail. ONR, FK1 1119, Rinse, Foam Gun Spray & Wipe, Dried with microfiber clothes, Men/ PO85RD, RMG, Pinnacle XMT Carnauba Finishing Glaze, then Sourveran X 2.................This did all the cleaning and polishing I needed. Surface was smooth so I did not need to clay. Turned out to be the best detail I have done. My Victory Red looks like a candy apple.
 
As to an alternative, I've read that Zymol HD-Cleanse was Meguiar's Hand Polish. No actual proof... just read it. Regardless, this may be a good alternative as a base for you to try. :nixweiss:
 
OK, I'll try to respond to a few things at once here.



lbls1, the way you describe what to look for in a QD sounds more like something such as Poorboy's S&W than an actual QD. I've tried it before and enjoyed it. Right now my cleaner QD is just mixed up from ONR and I have some 146 on order. I still think Megs #34 is probably a good option, and perhaps Duragloss FC&S. It does sound like I'll stay away 425 and the various spray waxes for the most part while I'm using Zymol.



What do you mean by a non-wax spritz? Just something like I mentioned above, a cleaner spray? I guess I'm being a little dense here, please correct me if I'm wrong....you're recommending SAG after HD-Cleanse (or substitute) and before EGZymol?



After this thread started it crossed my mind that I really should have added 1119 to my FK1 order this week. Ah well, next time I guess.



BigLeeger, I'm afraid I'm just not gonna buy that Megs and Zymol share that product. I'm afraid that sounds way too much like some gossip started one some forum. ;) That said, I may well try out my Megs DC Paint Cleaner or System Polish from their 3-step consumer line.



BTW lbls1, I really appreciate all the info. :2thumbs:
 
Its ok ask all you like. I am not the best at explaining things so bear with me. Sonus makes two products that are geared toward synthetic (or more towards polishing) products. One is an acrylic spritz and the other is the acrylic glanz. The spritz is more of a cleaner....this product REALLY cleans. The glanz is more of a coating to neutralize your non wax finish. Due to the fact that the rendering power of these two products are insignifcant almost to an unmeasurable degree, they won't interfere in any way with altering the Zymol wax's performance, other than promoting a cleaner and more slick prepped and polished surface.



You are right in that I prefer my qds to be more towards maintenance and less towards producing a shine. I rely on the wax products and my methods in producing the shine and rendering the finish.



I am recommending the SAG after HD Cleanse because it further promoted a cleaner polished surface, based on my experience. I wanted you to compare products rather than relying on my word because it is more important for you to see the results for yourself as opposed to believing my raves (and believe me, I have learned to believe in opinions less after a few trial and error sessions!).
 
BigLeegr said:
As to an alternative, I've read that Zymol HD-Cleanse was Meguiar's Hand Polish. No actual proof... just read it. Regardless, this may be a good alternative as a base for you to try. :nixweiss:

It does look and smell like it.
 
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