Alright sealant freaks, school me!!

SuperBee364 & BigJimZ28- Heh heh, yeah...there's a reason why I protect most of my hardest-use vehicles with Collinite/#16 instead of sealants, but I wan't gonna climb onto my wax soapbox since it sounds like he's just itching to try a sealant ;)
 
My sisters Accord gets bombed with bird crap all the time. I washed my sisters car this past Sunday using NXT, and I noticed that there's still the markings of some bird poop on the hood which is protected by Zaio/ZCS since December 2007. The car is still beading, especially the windows. There is some very minor waters spots on the car that I can't remove from regular washing, but that was NOT there when I did her detail this past December. I'm starting to now think that I should of added at least a layer of Z-2 on there before the Z-CS. I'll need to update my thread.



I also do think if you're living in Florida, NOTHING will protect against water spots, or bird bombs after it's been exposed to the hot sun. You know how it goes down here... it will rain for 15mins like cats and dogs, and then the sun comes out and it's hot as hell, and that is where you need to wash the car ASAP to remove waterspotting issues, or even bird bombs.



This is the link.

http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/101002-06-accord-protected-z-aio-z-cs-vs-real-world.html
 
Yeah, that brings up a very good point...



Last year, there was alot of discussion about how odd it was that people were having completely opposite experiences using the same products. I think you bring up a very valid point; where you live and the types of environmental contaminants your vehicle is exposed to will certainly effect how well your LSP is able to fend it off.



Where I live, I swear our bugs have sulfuric acid filled bodies, which not only slam against your car, but the birds then eat these bugs and poop copious amounts of battery acid all over your car. Then of course our DOT uses salt and sand on the roads during the winter. Then we get "Lake Effect" precipitation filled with hard water and salt from the Great Salt Lake. Even just the dirt we have is highly alkaline. Cars rust out here faster than anywhere else in the country. It's a real test of an LSP's mettle.
 
^ Oh yes the bugs are bad here too, especially the love bugs in May and August! If I don't attend to my car, the bugs will stain my clear bra!
 
I like OS, AJT, and UPGP. I have Zaino for the hardcore Z fans out there that want that on their cars but if I had a choice it would be one of the first three. These are the other sealants I have tried, others might be as good or better but I haven't tried them.
 
Accumulator said:
There are varying opinions about what constitutes "durability", but UPP's slickness drops off very quickly, so much so that I end up refreshing it quite often.



(No that's not a slam, I still use it on the S8.)
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I definitely agree with you on the slickness factor of UPP after it's applied. OS just seems to outperform UPP in that department from my experience as well.



Accumulator said:
Wonder if PolyCharger would improve how long the slickness lasts :think:
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That would be an interesting mixture to try out. I still have yet to try PolyCharger...
 
I use ultima pgp here in Texas. I've only been using it for 2 months or so, but it looks great, and from what I've read it will hold up just fine in the texas sun.
 
KnuckleBuckett said:
Ultima PGP. It is as easy as it gets. Do a search in here for more info. It is durable enough to beat back a PA winter!
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Three coats of it beat back an SLC winter, too.
 
I've been using UPGP with no problems. Though, I must admit I never got into the Zaino thing. Just like the OP, there's something about them that I don't like or trust. I guess I'll have to eventually buy it and try it myself. UPGP is a bite when you want to apply multiple coats (12 hour waiting time), but when I had a weekend to spare on the CR-V, it paid off.
 
Former Zaino user switched to UPGP and definitely not looking back. If I wanted to spend countless hours applying products to my car (which I wouldn't necessarily mind doing, but I simply don't have the time), I might select another product line. But, IMO, it is impossible to beat Ultima's ease of application considered with its results. It is simply an amazing product. I can't speak to PA winters, but it's holding up beautifully in Florida sun.
 
Twice in one day I get to mention one of my fav sealants and that's CG's Jet Seal 109. Easy to use as anything you've ever tried, looks stunnning and it lasts. Sure in an Ohio winter you're going to lose slickness sooner than more moderate weather but if you're like me you're always "touching up" your vehicle with a qd here or a new or borrowed product there, and even if you don't you'll still see the shine that you originally put down months before. As I mentioned in an earlier post today it is on the $$ side but a little does go a long way and it does a heck of a job protecting your paint and making it look great.
 
Macruz19 said:
In 2007, I did 2x ZFX Z-2pro, and 1x Z-CS from Feb 2007, and it lasted all the way through end of 2007. No joke. My sisters 2006 Accord was never washed, parked outside in the HOT FL sun, and garaged at nights.
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Two coats of Z2pro lasted 13 months (and was still going, kinda...) on my wifes car which was washed maybe 3 times over that time, and recieved Z8 once (at about the 2 month mark) so I believe you.



I have been testing several different sealants (and will do a write-up with pics soon) and I will tell you all the sealants I tested (Zaino Z5pro, Zaino Z2pro, Werkstatt Prime/Trigger, Ultima, Wolfgang, Meguiars #21, and CG JetSeal 109) that Zaino EASILY outlasted all of the others. Infact, on my hood, the Z2 and Z5pro sides are still going very strong (at 5 months) where the others are long gone.



JetSeal fell off the quickest at about 6 weeks...

Wolfgang fell off right behing at about 7 weeks...

Meguiars #21 fell off at 10 weeks...

Ultima fought well for 14 weeks, then left quickly

JW twins are starting to slow down (weakened beading but still there)

Zaino Z2 and Z5pro have shown no degradation yet (16 weeks)
 
TH0001 said:
Two coats of Z2pro lasted 13 months (and was still going, kinda...) on my wifes car which was washed maybe 3 times over that time, and recieved Z8 once (at about the 2 month mark) so I believe you.



I have been testing several different sealants (and will do a write-up with pics soon) and I will tell you all the sealants I tested (Zaino Z5pro, Zaino Z2pro, Werkstatt Prime/Trigger, Ultima, Wolfgang, Meguiars #21, and CG JetSeal 109) that Zaino EASILY outlasted all of the others. Infact, on my hood, the Z2 and Z5pro sides are still going very strong (at 5 months) where the others are long gone.



JetSeal fell off the quickest at about 6 weeks...

Wolfgang fell off right behing at about 7 weeks...

Meguiars #21 fell off at 10 weeks...

Ultima fought well for 14 weeks, then left quickly

JW twins are starting to slow down (weakened beading but still there)

Zaino Z2 and Z5pro have shown no degradation yet (16 weeks)
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How well did the sealants do as far as protecting against waterspots after a shower, and then exposed to the sun?
 
Hi guys,



This is a shot of 2 layers of AJ over Poli-Seal. Done at least 4 months ago (I lost track of the exact date). On this pic, the car hasn't been washed for 2 weeks and it's been driven on weekdays to Singapore. It's a daily driver.

I have inspected the paint for etching (especially bird bombs), so far I am very lucky not to have any marks on the car yet. Sometimes I purposely leave bird bombs on the car to test the sealant qualities. I haven't used any QDs or 'boosters' on AJ.

I will try to get some pics of AJ after a wash. It sheets water slowly but when I am done rinsing lower panels, the roof is about 90% dry.



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TH0001 said:
Two coats of Z2pro lasted 13 months (and was still going, kinda...) on my wifes car which was washed maybe 3 times over that time, and recieved Z8 once (at about the 2 month mark) so I believe you.



I have been testing several different sealants (and will do a write-up with pics soon) and I will tell you all the sealants I tested (Zaino Z5pro, Zaino Z2pro, Werkstatt Prime/Trigger, Ultima, Wolfgang, Meguiars #21, and CG JetSeal 109) that Zaino EASILY outlasted all of the others. Infact, on my hood, the Z2 and Z5pro sides are still going very strong (at 5 months) where the others are long gone.



JetSeal fell off the quickest at about 6 weeks...

Wolfgang fell off right behing at about 7 weeks...

Meguiars #21 fell off at 10 weeks...

Ultima fought well for 14 weeks, then left quickly

JW twins are starting to slow down (weakened beading but still there)

Zaino Z2 and Z5pro have shown no degradation yet (16 weeks)
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First of all, thank you all for your highly valued opinions, I really do appreciate it.



TH0001, see, I think this is where different products work better for different situations. When I first experienced Zaino products, I liked them alot, but once I saw the durability, I was no longer interested as much. Perhaps it has something to do with, me having harsher weather conditions than you (precipitation wise). But, I felt that Z lacked BIG time in durability, esp for what I expected from a sealant. My 3 coats of Z wore off in just 3 months of mild fall weather. But the shine and depth was simply amazing!



It just boggles me that two different people can get two totally different results from the same products.



What also gets me is that from my readings here and on other car related forums, Zaino seems to be the goddess of all LSP's, it gets praised up and down for its shine and durability, when ive in fact had nuba's (OTC's at that) outlast the durability of Zaino products. I can understand the shine/depth factor, as previously stated I think its great, but durability, no, not from what one would expect from a sealant.
 
Where do you live? I know in the summer we get rain an average 90 percent of the days.



I have heard of some people getting very short durability from Zaino (in the 3 month range) but I would think that this might be because of improper prep?
 
TH0001 said:
Where do you live? I know in the summer we get rain an average 90 percent of the days.



I have heard of some people getting very short durability from Zaino (in the 3 month range) but I would think that this might be because of improper prep?
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Near Pittsburgh, PA. We avg about 140 days of sunshine/year with no precip, the rest is rain and snow.



You may be correct on the improper prep. As with any type of surface adhearant (sp?) prep has a LOT to do with how well the product adhears to the surface. Perhaps, I didnt prep good enough?

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