Alcohol solution: application and dilution

I tried contacting Irene about that or the Hi Temp branded product, no response. It sounds like very disitnct ingredients mixed together in the form of a wash.
 
Bill D- If you tried to contact Irene via e-mail, give her a phone call. I've been *far* more successful reaching her by phone ;)
 
Thanks guy



This mid polishing clean with the alcohol is interesting Bill D. I havent thought about that. I only had in mind to strip the old wax so it leave the paint clean for polishing. I guess I tried that to.



Some of you mention other product, but I think this is useless to pay $15-20 for something when you can do the same thing for$2-3.



BTW Ruffrider, dont worry for your question, it wasnt out of thread. You actually make me learn something because of your question. :up
 
Bill D said:
If anything, it will make applying a new sealant easier. With Menzerna, an area polished should have no filler covering any defects still left behind so no need to worry about alcohol getting on that and uncovering them. But if you mean an area polished with Menzerna and sealed with whatever LSP, yeah keep the alcohol away from it.
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Now I am completely confused. I used IP & FPII already on the car and topped it with Z1 and Z2. The Z1 is older than three years and had already gone bad, but I used it anyways. I am trying to completely remove the Z1 and Z2. I do not want to remove any of the work that I did with the Menzerna. Will the alcohol be able to just remove the Z1 and Z2 with out affecting the Menzerna?:confused:



Cliff Notes:

Basically I would like to use EX and Natty's, but I have to remove the old Z1 and Z2 first. The Z1 and Z2 has to be removed from the whole entire car.:eek: I detailed the car about two weeks ago and I am afraid with the Z1 being so old there is no sealant protection. :( Is the alcohol water mix still the route I want to go if I am doing the whole car?
 
I think you are under the assumption that Menzerna polishes leave behind something on the paint. Menzerna polishes do not seal or leave behind anything that can be removed. So, there is no "removing Menzerna polishes"; the results you see upon using them is really what the paint looks like after them.



Whatever you put on after them, wax and/or sealant, yes the alcohol can move it. I wouldn't suggest a simple wipe on, wipe off though. Like I said earlier, you need to let the alcohol dwell a bit on the paint in order for it to fully do the job.



Yes, you can use the alcohol wipe down for the whole car but I would suggest using it per panel. I find it a lot less tedious trying to strip the entire car of the LSP first and then diving into the polishing: do alcohol wipe down, polish, inspect using the alcohol , polish as much you need to /want to towards you goal, continue to inspect in between your polishing steps after an alcohol wipe down, move on to the next area or panel or if your doing just the one panel/ area, apply your LSP. For an entire car I still wait until I'm done polishing everything to take one last look at the entire car before applying the LSP
 
Don't forget that IPA is typically sold at 90% concentrations or less. There is a good reason for this......it azeotropes with water at that % so is very easy to make. Basically at that composition the IPA and water boil at the same temperature, so basically if you had a pot full of 50% / 50% or whatever, and brought it to a boil, the ~90% mixture would be boiled out of it, and easily condensed and recovered. To get purer than that requires that the azeotrope be broken and is costly and complicated. Basic distillation can not be used.
 
I apologize for being so dense, but did you you finally decide that regular drug store alcohol could be used if diluted to 50% or 70%?



JJ
 
We know Menzerna polishes do not leave behind any fillers or anything like that, but could lubricating oils remain?



I have applied Zaino directly on top of a freshly FPII'd surface and it is going strong, but who knows if durability will be affected even slightly. It maybe nothing that a quick wash wouldn't take off. Maybe it's not a significant amount to worry about.
 
You can buy straight 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol in 16 to 32 oz sizes locally from a drug store, super market, Wal-Mart, etc.



I just bought some more 91% I then cut it down to about 50% or so by diluting it with distilled water.
 
Nope, the alcohol eliminates the oils.



** I just merged the 2 alcohol threads into one here **
 
Bill D said:
Yes, you can use the alcohol wipe down for the whole car but I would suggest using it per panel. I find it a lot less tedious trying to strip the entire car of the LSP first and then diving into the polishing: do alcohol wipe down, polish, inspect using the alcohol , polish as much you need to /want to towards you goal, continue to inspect in between your polishing steps after an alcohol wipe down, move on to the next area or panel or if your doing just the one panel/ area, apply your LSP. For an entire car I still wait until I'm done polishing everything to take one last look at the entire car before applying the LSP
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Bill, thanks for your help, but this is what I am confused about. I now understand that alcohol wont affect the Menzerna. I have already polished the car and all I want to do is remove the Zaino and replace with EX Sealant and Nattys. Above you talk about doing the alcohol wipe down and polishing. I have already polished so why are you talking about polishing?:confused: Maybe I am not understanding you. I am still fairly new to detailng so please excuse my ignorance.:) Are you suggesting that I polish again even though I did it less than two weeks ago?:nixweiss I don't think you are, but I am totally lost.
 
The alcohol can do 2 things in this whole polishing and laying down wax/sealant process



* remove filler and oils left behind by polishes



* remove waxes and polishes from the paint
 
Just call Top of the Line, they do not list Klean on the website. If your are worried about price, Klean is pretty inexpensive also. For a half gallon, it is $6.56, then it is cut by half with water to strip the paint of waxes/sealants.
 
I think you are under the assumption that Menzerna polishes leave behind something on the paint. Menzerna polishes do not seal or leave behind anything that can be removed. So, there is no "removing Menzerna polishes"; the results you see upon using them is really what the paint looks like after them.
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The alcohol can do 2 things in this whole polishing and laying down wax/sealant process



* remove filler and oils left behind by polishes



* remove waxes and polishes from the paint
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:hairpull Anyone else willing to try and help me understand this. Feel free to dumb it down a little, because I still don't get it.:o When it says the alcohol will remove the waxes and polishes we are talking about excess polish right? I don't understand how both quotes can make sense together. I am sure they do, but I am just not getting it.
 
I called them , no response, I might try again some time. I'd like to know more about how it works chemically. It gives one the option to de wax/seal the entire car in one step which is one option I like having. Sounds like it could be a "better" (?), "safer"(?) alternative to the popular Dawn wash also.
 
6speedZ said:
:hairpull Anyone else willing to try and help me understand this. Feel free to dumb it down a little, because I still don't get it.:o When it says the alcohol will remove the waxes and polishes we are talking about excess polish right? I don't understand how both quotes can make sense together. I am sure they do, but I am just not getting it.
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Polishes like Megs #80 and #9 contain not only mechanical abrasives but oils which act as a glaze and fillers. Even after polishing and wiping the surface clean these oils are left behind. Using a following wipedown with an IPA solution will remove these oils and show the bare paint surface i.e. the true result of what the abrasives did. Polishes like Menzerna's and Poorboys do not contain these oils so an IPA wipedown will not change anything. Using #80/#9 is a bit like using SSR2/SSR1 and following with a glaze.
 
PhilS said:
Polishes like Megs #80 and #9 contain not only mechanical abrasives but oils which act as a glaze and fillers. Even after polishing and wiping the surface clean these oils are left behind. Using a following wipedown with an IPA solution will remove these oils and show the bare paint surface i.e. the true result of what the abrasives did. Polishes like Menzerna's and Poorboys do not contain these oils so an IPA wipedown will not change anything. Using #80/#9 is a bit like using SSR2/SSR1 and following with a glaze.
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Man I think your going to confuse him much more by talking of other products:rolleyes:



OK 6speedZ,

I'm not sure if what I'm going to say is right, but I do my best to summarize what was said before. If you use the alcohol solution over your car, your going to strip your 2 layer of Zaino. You have nothing to strip with you 2 polish, cause they dont leave anything on the paint. So after that you will be directly on the paint. Which mean you should be ready for you new wax.



Hope this will clarify thing a little if not Here a little more dump



DAh Man just strip ty waz Yo wit gin. E wil chin lic cresy MaN :chill:
 
I'd say say Prep-sol but it's a quite a bit more expensive compared to IPA which costs about a few cents per ounce. I reserve the solvent mostly for the initial LSP removal.
 
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