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imported_connell

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I searched but couldn't find answers to these questions, maybe because they aren't important questions?



1) What is the best hand applicator to use with AIO (foam, terry, microfiber), and should it be predampened with water before use?



2) Do you have to wait for the acrylics in AIO to cure before applying something on top? If so, how long?
 
Not unimportant if you're asking about them :D



Yeah, dampen the AIO applicator with some water. I've used both foam and MF and would say that the choice is just personal preference. I tend to avoid terry out of fears of micromarring.



The stuff AIO leaves behind is pretty negligible anyhow. I've never waited for it to cure. If you waited 24 hours you *might* get a little more protection out of it than people usually do :nixweiss
 
connell said:
I searched but couldn't find answers to these questions, maybe because they aren't important questions?



1) What is the best hand applicator to use with AIO (foam, terry, microfiber), and should it be predampened with water before use?



2) Do you have to wait for the acrylics in AIO to cure before applying something on top? If so, how long?
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The curing process begins after 3 minutes, curing time takes a further 24 hours but it is at optimal curing time to remove excess AIO (via Microfibre etc) 45 minutes after first point of application.



You could wait 24 hours I guess before removing it but you will still end up removing the same amount of AIO as all you are doing is removing the excess product and leaving the base on the car. The only major difference is that it will be absolute pain to remove. :hairpull
 
RazorIX said:
The curing process begins after 3 minutes, curing time takes a further 24 hours but it is at optimal curing time to remove excess AIO (via Microfibre etc) 45 minutes after first point of application.



You could wait 24 hours I guess before removing it but you will still end up removing the same amount of AIO as all you are doing is removing the excess product and leaving the base on the car. The only major difference is that it will be absolute pain to remove. :hairpull
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OK. I was going to wipe off quickly, but was wondering about whether or not I could wax over it immediately...
 
RazorIX said:
The curing process begins after 3 minutes, curing time takes a further 24 hours but it is at optimal curing time to remove excess AIO (via Microfibre etc) 45 minutes after first point of application.
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While I'm not denying this information, I am curious if this information is based on your own personal experience or if you read this somewhere. I have never heard this before.



I usually wipe off AIO immediately, then follow with the SG and then a carnauba. If you are following AIO with the SG, I don't know if there is much reason to let the AIO cure longer, since I assume it would immediately leave enough of an acrylic basecoat to aid the SG in bonding.



These are assumptions though as I'm certainly no chemist.
 
Reflections said:
While I'm not denying this information, I am curious if this information is based on your own personal experience or if you read this somewhere. I have never heard this before.



I usually wipe off AIO immediately, then follow with the SG and then a carnauba. If you are following AIO with the SG, I don't know if there is much reason to let the AIO cure longer, since I assume it would immediately leave enough of an acrylic basecoat to aid the SG in bonding.



These are assumptions though as I'm certainly no chemist.
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I represent the UK CarLack distributor and that is the technical information we are given. Could be wrong though. ;)



On a personal level however I prefer to remove the C68/AIO approx 20 minutes after first point of application.
 
connell said:
OK. I was going to wipe off quickly, but was wondering about whether or not I could wax over it immediately...
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Normally I wipe off after approx 20 minutes, its hazed over slightly and still pretty easy to remove that leaves an absolute high gloss finish once complete. As for applying wax immediately after wipe off... well the curing process has already begun and the state of the seal should be at the point where Carnauba Wax should not disrupt the curing process depending on how effective a seal the wax actually is. However, as it is not completely cured I can not comment on the solvents that are within the wax to begin with.



From a subject point of view however I have not noticed any detrimental effect when applying CarLack 68, wiping down after 20 mins and then immediately applying the wax. It still looks brill and beads perfectly after each wash down. :)
 
Accumulator said:
..I've never waited for it to cure. If you waited 24 hours you *might* get a little more protection out of it than people usually do :nixweiss
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RazorIX said:
You could wait 24 hours I guess before removing it but...
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Just to clarify, I wasn't implying to wait 24 hours before buffing AIO off, but rather that there might be some (minimal?) advantage to letting it cure for 24 hours before topping it.



But most people who've tried AIO untopped found the durability to be pretty mediocre anyhow.
 
Are you guys sure you are talking about the right product? AIO is a polish and requires no drying time - I do a panel or two at a time and then wipe off. Very few people leave AIO as the lsp as topping it provides better shine and durability.



However, Klasse SG is another story. SG is often used as a lsp over the AIO. SG is the one that requires at least 24 hours between coats. Although the instructions for SG state to let it dry before buffing, I use the wowo method with it as well and find it looks and protects just as well, and is much easier to wipe than letting it totally dry. I put three coats of SG over my AIO with each coat 24 hours apart.
 
NO confusion here, I'm talking about AIO as in, the stuff *I* only use before applying SG.



Some people who use it untopped claim to get good durability. FWIW, I don't. But I figure that if somebody *wants* to maximize the durability of the little bit of stuff AIO leaves behind, then maybe not putting anything over top of it for 24 hours might be an OK idea. I'd just put SG over it myself.
 
shortspark said:
Are you guys sure you are talking about the right product? AIO is a polish and requires no drying time - I do a panel or two at a time and then wipe off. Very few people leave AIO as the lsp as topping it provides better shine and durability.



However, Klasse SG is another story. SG is often used as a lsp over the AIO. SG is the one that requires at least 24 hours between coats. Although the instructions for SG state to let it dry before buffing, I use the wowo method with it as well and find it looks and protects just as well, and is much easier to wipe than letting it totally dry. I put three coats of SG over my AIO with each coat 24 hours apart.
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Klasse AIO is not a polish but a chemical cleaning agent that leaves an acrylic seal commonly used as a base coat.
 
Just to share my personnal experience, I used carlack68 (nano tech version) on one of my customer's car as a lsp, 3 weeks later when I saw the car again, water is still beading all right on the hood but the sides are still pretty strong.
 
I've done some studies of Klasse SG for the fun of it. You can read some of them in the archives.



It cures in a matter of seconds. There is no difference between wiping it on and wiping it right back off, or letting it set for 24 hours. Same with applying subsequent layers.
 
Somewhere I read that AIO should be applied 2x when needing to remove old wax/sealant - the 1st time to remove the old stuff, then the 2nd time to lay down the Acrylic layer. Apparently the acrylic layer sets up better on a cleaned surface. Seems logical to me, and since my application process is to immediately wipe off, adding this 2nd application is quick and easy.
 
First I spray QD on the paint section I'm going to do. Then I use foam pad with a handle for the AIO. If you use MF or Terry you'll end up using way more product than you need.

For SG I use a blue MF pad with s smooth (no prickly ends) loop end. I first spray the area with an Acrylic SPritz and the MF pad as well. One dime size drop on the paint per panel which I spread quickly. Buff off right away. Do the rest of the car.

ANd a final buff with the Acrylic Spritz.



I think I read the Klasse guy saying that 8 hours is sufficient curing time. When I did 30 applications I would do one in the morning and another before lights out. Its also easier to see the possible streaking at night under lamps.
 
shortspark said:
Are you guys sure you are talking about the right product? AIO is a polish and requires no drying time - I do a panel or two at a time and then wipe off. Very few people leave AIO as the lsp as topping it provides better shine and durability.
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:werd: bottle says WOWO...
 
I believe David B posted here many moons ago saying that AIO would leave more protection behind if the excess was not wiped off for 45 minutes or so.



I've also read, on Autopia, a discussion where AIO was compared to Jeff's Werkstatt Prime, a very similar product. The Prime directions say to wait 20 minutes before wiping off the excess to allow for some desireable percentage (70% ??) of curing to take place.



I like to AIO the whole car, then go back to where I started and begin removing the excess. Does it help? Who knows. I'm still trying to figure out if the new AIO is any different than the pre-VOC AIO.



Mikeman out.
 
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