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imported_Axe

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I have great difficulty using AIO with the PC, I find that when I apply it to the vehicle it starts to dust almost immediately. Therefore I end up applying AIO by hand, I am also looking for hints on using SG, and would be interested in your process of applying SG (I have read the thread using the WOWO method, however this gives contradicting information to the packaging of SG, as this states to apply SG on a dry vehicle, with a dry cotton cloth, as opposed to a DAMP cloth for AIO)



As I say, looking for opinions and preferred methods, especially with the PC, thanks.
 
Are you using a damp PC pad when applying AIO? I usually just use some of the water that hides on the surface after drying the car to wet the pad. It seems to help if there is a little water in the mix.



My process with SG isn't the famous Wowo method, but it has worked for the years I've been using it. I apply it to a dry applicator and wipe it on the car in straight lines. I wait 45 mintues for it to dry and then I use a two towel method to take it off. One towel is damp and the other is dry. I wipe with the damp towel first and that gets most of the SG off. Then the dry towel clears up the streaks and any left over product. Sometimes you just need the bite of a damp towel to break the haze loose and then it is easy. You may use several towels with this method depending on how much body the car has, but I can usually do it with two or three sets of towels. The dry one gets damp sooner or later and becomes less effective. I like to keep it clean and dry for that process. Like I said, it doesn't have the fame of the WOWO method, but it works.
 
I use a cotton terry bonnet that fits over a lambswool pad. I just dampen the bonnet apply the AIO to the bonnet and wax away on speed 4. I can do a panel or two before I have to reapply some more AIO. This works soo well for me. I have not tried the LC red or black pads yet, but the bonnet works great. I let SG set up for awhile and then buff it off with a plush MF. If I have some streaking I use a light mist of some Mothers QD that came with my clay kit. I am no expert but this seems an easy way to do it.
 
Dappen your pad first I use distilled water, use AIO liberally, what pad are you using? what speed?



I have never used SG, so cant comment, put the SG in a spray bottle (thats how I use EGP), and mist a yellow foam pad then apply, you'll use a lot less product, and get a nice consistant layer.



PK
 
Axe said:
Great tips so far ppl .... I would never have waited 45 minutes jngrbrdman, thanks for that tip.



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That is because everybody is in a hurry to get it done and has to find short cuts instead of going back to the way it has always worked in the past. The trend of cutting corners in detailing has caused more problems than good. SG has always been easier to buff off if it is given adequate time to dry. It streaks less and doesn't grab the microfiber as hard after it has dried. It is also much easier to see where you have applied it and where it still remains after you are done.
 
Hi Paul,

I've been using AIO (weather permitting) a few times now and I've followed the method mentioned in David B's " How to use the Porter Cable 7424 Polisher". I also seem to remember that, on a new/clean pad, a quick spritz of Quick detailer is needed to dampen it before applying the AIO to the pad (I've only needed to use the Sonus blue pad on my car). I then switch to a grey or blue pad to remove the residue.

(I note that the directions on the Klasse AIO bottle state that "No drying time is necessary".)



I've also used Klasse SG as instructed on the bottle and it works fine provided that it is applied very, very thinly. I use a MF pad which has been wetted and thoroughly wrung out. To buff it up I use a MF concours buffing bonnet on a sonus orange pad and/or MF concours buffing towel.



I'm just about to order some Carnauba to use as a topper (I think P21s) to see if it can improve the finish even more.



I don't know if this helps?

Bob



PS loved the "Click & Brag" pictures of the detail you did.
 
Axe- What speed are you setting the PC on when applying AIO?



I just did a large truck the other day with AIO only, I used a polishing pad and set the PC on 4.5 - 5.0. The AIO in some areas was a little hard to remove but I just used a little QD to and it wiped right off. I get no dusting what so ever, and I also dampen the PC pad with water before getting started.
 
I could have swore I replied to this thread ... anyway. Ye, I think you have all hit the nail on the head, I think the problem I had was I wasn't dampening the polishing pads. I am about to Zaino someone's car over the weekend, and t prep it I intend to AIO it, so I will use your tips then, many thanks.



Thanks for the kind words Bob, that thread has been moved over to the Xtreme Detailing Contest section now.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
That is because everybody is in a hurry to get it done and has to find short cuts instead of going back to the way it has always worked in the past. The trend of cutting corners in detailing has caused more problems than good. SG has always been easier to buff off if it is given adequate time to dry. It streaks less and doesn't grab the microfiber as hard after it has dried. It is also much easier to see where you have applied it and where it still remains after you are done.
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I use the PC for AIO (gray LC variable contact pad which is a step above the typical white polishing pad) and SG (red LC variable contact pad which is the softest I can find) routinely with absolutely no problems, HOWEVER, you need to always remember (especially with the SG) that a little bit goes a very long way.



Use the PC around 4 or 4.5 and just enough AIO or SG to tell it's on the pad. I know I have just enough when using the PC that as I pass along with the PC the AIO or SG "ghosts" initially and and then almost immediately disappears - it seems as if it magically disappears. As the PC applies the AIO or SG it is so thin that you can barely tell it's there.



The AIO is ready to be removed almost immediately whereas the SG is a very different process...as Jngrbrdman says, you have to wait. I will typically do the entire car with SG and then tackle dressing the wheels/tires, do the interior, clean the glass, etc. or go off and mow the yard - the key is to wait AT LEAST 45-60 minutes. Then wiping off is a breeze. Wait 12 or so more hours and do the SG all over again. Once you get that second application on, you'll know that the wait and work were well worth it - OUTSTANDING!



AIO is never an issue, whereas SG is definitely a bit more tempermental. SG can be a royal pain IF you don't do it just right. Either way, though - royal pain or easy as you please, gives outstanding results; especially with SG x3 on top of AIO on pearl white! GOOD LUCK!
 
I get my pad fairly damp before applying AIO with the PC - I can work it for quite a while before it starts to dry. Applying it with the PC allows you to get it on ultra thin, so dusting shouldn't be an issue. Any bits that are hard to get off, I just give them a light spritz with distilled water then wipe.
 
I have only used AIO once and it was a breeze to use. I used the blue Sonus pad with a spray of QD to dampen the pad then applied an X of AIO. Worked one panel at a time in the usual east-west, north-south on speed 4 with little to no pressure and the results were very nice.
 
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