AIO confusion

Jesstzn

Jesstzn

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Now here is where I get confused and I will quote postings in 2 threads in Autopia University posted in the came day





Thread title Opinions on durable/long lasting WAX " Klasse AIO is more of a cleaner and mild abrasive." posted by BillNorth



Thread title 2003 Corolla "AOI is non abrasive, " posted by Patrick



For us that aren't sure .. which is right?
 
I don't know that it has any physical abrasives in it that will remove swirls, but it has what people call "chemical abrasives" that assist in the cleaning of the paint. If it does have physical abrasive particles in it then they are even more mild than GEPC or PPCL. That's my understanding of it anyway.
 
Ok that clears it up some for me .. to me abrasive = physical abrasives .. I I come from an Environmental Technical background so particulate = abrasive.
 
IMO, it has physical abrasive particles, despite what the mfg. says. But will it cause damage? Probably not.
 
BW said:
IMO, it has physical abrasive particles, despite what the mfg. says. But will it cause damage? Probably not.
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I'm in agreement here. I've used AIO with a rotary and its taken out some light swirls. I've followed up rotary polishing with a PC and AIO and its removed hologramming. There's got to be some mechanical action taking place to do this.



AIO is very high in solvents. That's why it does such a good job at restoring oxidized paint. Kinda like NuFinish in that regard.



As far as "damaging" your paint, I guess it all depends on what you consider damage.



I'm surprised after all this time no one has attempted to analyse what really is in AIO. The Klasse Twins seem to get accepted as the top tier of detailing products with little (recent) debate. Personally I see them as Old School products using 1970's technology. Not much different than Liquid Glass or Meguiar's #20. IMNSHO, AIO is more like NuFinish than it is Zaino (that'll stir up a few people.....)
 
I'm with Bret, I've used AIO via rotary as well to remove some marring. IMO, AIO does have some very light abrasive in it.
 
BW said:
IMO, it has physical abrasive particles, despite what the mfg. says. But will it cause damage? Probably not.
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Yeah, I agree. There is no such thing as a 'chemical abrasive'. IMO, AIO has very fine abrasives...about as fine as P21S GEPC. And I don't mean this as a negative because I consider AIO a very good product.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Wouldn't you consider a solvent to be a chemical abrasive? Kinda?
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I guess this is more a matter of semantics than anything, because if a solvent really is a chemical abrasive, then wouldn't every single wax, polish, compound be chemically abrasive also? After all, each and every single one of these products contain solvents.....and a product like 1Z Glanz Wax would be loaded with (chemical) abrasives. I guess I'm more in agreement with the way Jesstzn views it....but I think I know where you're coming from. I just consider solvents more of a chemical 'cleaner' than anything else.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Wouldn't you consider a solvent to be a chemical abrasive? Kinda?
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In my eyes an abrasive = Mechanical removal of a coating eg lowering the surrounding area to the level of the valley of the scratch or the removal of oxidized paint. ... chemicals ( Solvents etc. ) = chemical errosion to remove oxidization or removing clear/paint to bring it to the valley level of the scratch. Both may only take the sharp edge off the scratch to reduce the reflectiveness of the scratch but the process is different getting there. JMHO
 
bretfraz said:
I'm surprised after all this time no one has attempted to analyse what really is in AIO. The Klasse Twins seem to get accepted as the top tier of detailing products with little (recent) debate. Personally I see them as Old School products using 1970's technology. Not much different than Liquid Glass or Meguiar's #20. IMNSHO, AIO is more like NuFinish than it is Zaino (that'll stir up a few people.....)
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Just one of those, "Well it's German and CMA sells it!" things. Too bad no one in Germany has ever heard of it. I still find it a useful product, though.
 
I'm also of the opinion that it does have some very fine physical abrasives in it. I've used it with my PC to remove hazing caused by FI2.



Bretfraz,



I agree, klasse is old in name. It is a product that has been around for ages. But I have had discussions with people on some other boards who have told me that the formulation of both products has changed over time. One gentleman I spoke with was bemoaning the fact that SG changed. He loved the older version of the product much more than the current one. Based on this I wouldn't necessarily classify klasse as a total old school product. It is not as new as zaino, but certainly in a league above and beyond liquid glass. AFAIC, I don't care how old the product is. All I care about is that it works, it's durable, and that it looks darn good! :) .



Bill.
 
BW said:
Just one of those, "Well it's German and CMA sells it!" things. Too bad no one in Germany has ever heard of it. I still find it a useful product, though.
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I was reading somewhere (ages ago - don't remember where) that Klasse is sold in Germany, but under a different name. It makes sense to me. Many products sold in different markets are like that.
 
I remember up to 20/25 years ago seeing a bottle of what I recognize now as the Klasse bottle on automotive section shelves. Never knew what it was then .. and I actually never connected the 2 untill I started coming to the detailing forums. I remember the "Klasse" nomenclature and the bottle. Back then there was no great detailing products advertizing and if it wasn't Simoniz or Turtle Wax you didn't venture far from it .. A sponge and a bucket was all ya had and if you had a "real" chamois it was a luxury.



Great thread you guys .. no rock throwing .. just all good stuff .. nice way to end a year .. Happy New Year.
 
I bought Klasse AIO many years back, 15? on the advice of a Boutique auto shop salesman. I took it home and being completely without direction on how to use it or its potential I hated it.



Fast fwd to this week, I used Megs #9 with a PC on a yellow pad. Then AIO followed by three coats of SG ending today and wow....... hard to believe its the same product that I thought was junk 15 years ago ( keep in Mind I never tried SG back then)



Just goes to show without some training even the best tool is useless.
 
FalconGuy said:
I bought Klasse AIO many years back, 15? on the advice of a Boutique auto shop salesman. I took it home and being completely without direction on how to use it or its potential I hated it.
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That's funny. I too discovered Klasse about 15 years ago when someone at an auto boutique gave me some (Prestige Motoring Accessories in Orange County, for you Cali oldtimers). I used it on my brother's Mitsubishi Starion Turbo and loved it. A few years later I tried it on my new Mustang LX 5.0 and didn't like it so I put in on a shelf and left it there until I dumped it. It wasn't until 1999 that I was reintroduced to it and it was exactly as I recalled.



So much of what I've learned about Klasse is, I guess, anecdotal. I've never heard anything direct from Klasse, I don't know who runs the company, where the product is made..... frankly I don't know anything about them. It seems to me most of what we know about the product is not definitive. I mean, we know *how* it works but no one is ever sure *why*.



I dunno.... Klasse is an odd company. Kinda mysterious if ya ask me. I like direct access to the mfr. Who has ever had access to someone at Klasse?



Anyway, just a few questions I've had about Klasse that I thought I'd share.
 
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