Add something to M 105 or just switch to M300?

dschribs

dschribs

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I guess I'm still on old school guy because I haven't moved to Meg's new MF system yet. I guess I just haven't found the need as of yet as M105 and an orange LC pad (Groits DA speed 6) has worked the majority of times I have needed to do some decent defect removal. Also, I don't detail that many cars a year and have already made the investment in M205 and M105 as well as tons of LC pads which I would like to continue to use until they need to be replaced.



Anyway, M105 continues to be a bear to work with at times for me (Dusting, difficult to wipe of the panel etc) I have read a few posts where guys have added a different polish to M105 to make it more user friendly. I think one even suggested adding baby oil???!!!



For those of you that have "supplemented" M105 - what have you used (and in what ratio) to make it easier to work with and not lose it's cut?



I do have Meg's Ultimate compound and can get M300 at my local Walmart if need be...



OR



Should i just ditch the M105 and switch to M300? My concern is I'm not so sure how compatible M300 is with LC foam pads on a PC for decent defect correction...



Thanks for the help!!
 
dschribs said:
I guess I'm still on old school guy because I haven't moved to Meg's new MF system yet. I guess I just haven't found the need as of yet as M105 and an orange LC pad (Groits DA speed 6) has worked the majority of times I have needed to do some decent defect removal. Also, I don't detail that many cars a year and have already made the investment in M205 and M105 as well as tons of LC pads which I would like to continue to use until they need to be replaced.



Anyway, M105 continues to be a bear to work with at times for me (Dusting, difficult to wipe of the panel etc) I have read a few posts where guys have added a different polish to M105 to make it more user friendly. I think one even suggested adding baby oil???!!!



For those of you that have "supplemented" M105 - what have you used (and in what ratio) to make it easier to work with and not lose it's cut?



I do have Meg's Ultimate compound and can get M300 at my local Walmart if need be...



OR



Should i just ditch the M105 and switch to M300? My concern is I'm not so sure how compatible M300 is with LC foam pads on a PC for decent defect correction...



Thanks for the help!!
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I think for most tasks, you'll like the performance of D300. You're not giving up a lot in terms of cutting ability, yet the D300 is easier to wipe off, and will dust less, if you happen to have problems with dusting.



You should really try the DA Microfiber Discs; while there are still uses for foam, it's tough to beat the comfort and cutting power of the Microfiber Discs. As is the case with ALL Meguiar's products... they come with a money back guarantee.



I sure wish you'd take a few minutes to give me a call for pointers using M105/M205/D300, and polishing in general.

Happy to help, or send a 4 oz. sample.



(805) 478-1658 cell anytime. e:mail: iamwaxman@aol.com
 
Kevin Brown said:
I think for most tasks, you'll like the performance of D300. You're not giving up a lot in terms of cutting ability, yet the D300 is easier to wipe off, and will dust less, if you happen to have problems with dusting.



You should really try the DA Microfiber Discs; while there are still uses for foam, it's tough to beat the comfort and cutting power of the Microfiber Discs. As is the case with ALL Meguiar's products... they come with a money back guarantee.



I sure wish you'd take a few minutes to give me a call for pointers using M105/M205/D300, and polishing in general.

Happy to help, or send a 4 oz. sample.



(805) 478-1658 cell anytime. e:mail: iamwaxman@aol.com
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Hard to pass up an offer like that! ^^^









Once you try the MF pads you will be kicking yourself in the butt for not trying them sooner! ;)
 
Kevin Brown said:
I think for most tasks, you'll like the performance of D300. You're not giving up a lot in terms of cutting ability, yet the D300 is easier to wipe off, and will dust less, if you happen to have problems with dusting.



You should really try the DA Microfiber Discs; while there are still uses for foam, it's tough to beat the comfort and cutting power of the Microfiber Discs. As is the case with ALL Meguiar's products... they come with a money back guarantee.



I sure wish you'd take a few minutes to give me a call for pointers using M105/M205/D300, and polishing in general.

Happy to help, or send a 4 oz. sample.



(805) 478-1658 cell anytime. e:mail: iamwaxman@aol.com
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I absolutely will! Thanks!!
 
I agree on the MF pads, they really are easier to use and on most paints, D300 finishes near perfectly. It takes some getting used to the idea about slower speeds to do cutting, but it really does work. If I need to use 105, I'm already in rotary territory so out my makita comes to handle it. Everything else, DA and MF/D300 just a great job
 
Definitely try the MF system. It's awesome.



That being said I have experimented with M105 in different ways to help combat the dusting and wipe off issues. I've tried the baby oil method, which does work pretty well. I've also mixed M205 with M105. Which gave me a lesser cut compound.



I now use D300 for most compounding. It's great to work with on a DA or rotary. I've used it with the LC white pads and orange pads. Definitely works best on the MF system though.
 
I am no pro, but here is why I like D300. D300 is extremely easy to use! Dusting is very, very minimal. Easy to work, and easy to remove! When I used it with a MF pad, it doesn't sling if you had part of your pad hanging to the side. From the times I've used it, it doesn't stain trim. Don't get me wrong, D300 does not replace M105. There are times where you might have to pull out the M105 to get the correction you are looking for, but with that said, if I ever encounter that situation, I'll prime the pad with D300 and add a little M105 to work with. It gives you a little of both worlds. The ease and use and non-dustiness of D300 and some of the cutting ability of M105. That's just me though... You should ask the pros on what they think!



Also... less is more! Too much compound on MF pads is no bueno. I learned that the hard way.
 
Dusting can increase with the MF system (if not kept very clean) but 105 with proper technique can finish extemely near or at Lsp ready with change up to the polishing pad even on dark colors. They are worth the try.
 
CONCOURS.JOHN said:
.. 105 with proper technique can finish extemely near or at Lsp ready with change up to the polishing pad even on dark colors. .
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That "proper technique" must be critical...though I've used M105 extensively, I just can't get it to finish out well enough to pass muster (say...under the SunGun). I can often get it good enough in "normal lighting", but it never passes a more rigorous test :nixweiss
 
I often use M105 and D300 (2 dots of each) on both MF pads and LC orange. The D300 allows for longer work time, easier removal, and less dusting. I like the MF pads on some paints, but usually I still feel the orange pad works faster for me. Definitely pick up some D300 and play with it. You may find it can be substituted for 105 in many cases. The slightly longer time to get the correction is compensated by the time not fighting the dust.
 
Had a great conversation with Kevin Brown on Monday. Incredible wealth of knowledge and a genuinely good guy as well. Really went out of way to help me out. Not only did he offer to send me a few samples (as I MAY have the old version of M105), he also gave me some very valuable pointers on using M105 in terms of pad speed/pressure, quantity of product, spritzing the panel that is being worked on etc etc. His info will definitely help me the next time I need to tackle a car with M105.



In addition to the M105 help, he convinced me to try the D300/MF system as another defect removal option combo. Lucky for me the Walmart right down the street carries everything I need. Between Kevin's praise of the system and everyone's comments on here I can't help but think that's it's the way go.



Thanks again for the help Kevin!!!!
 
I tip my hat to Kevin Brown for going beyond just responding to forum post and taking the additional time for a personal call to help out a fellow detailer.



- Thank you for sharing the knowledge -
 
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