Ack! They buffed it!

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JPS911

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I have 19 coats of Zaino on my 911. I had some minor work done on it, and forgot to mention not to buff it...:angry



Now, there are no swirl marks, but it does have those straight lines when the sun hits it that make it look machine buffed. :shocked



Question is, do I have to strip down the zaino, buff out with SMR or whatever, and start over? Or can I just put some more coats of Z on?



Thoughts??? :nixweiss
 
if they buffed it with a machine the zaino is gone, I would show them and have them pay to start from scratch. Come on it's a 911 you don't just take a machine to it with out asking. I could see if they washed it but not taking a machine to it.
 
For what it's worth, my understanding is that buffing with anything even mildly abrasive will remove the Zaino (or anything else for that matter).



If that's the case, whoever installed "those straight lines " has already removed your Zaino for you. All you need to do now is polish out "those straight lines" and start layering the Zaino again.



If they buffed it with a rotary, as I suspect, then I would call what you have "swirl marks" - can you post pics of the straight lines?



If I'm wrong, I imagine those more experienced will chime in shortly....
 
Umm well you are going to need to strip it down and buff it out with an abrasive like meguiars Swirl free polish the SMR will eventually be taken off and they will appear again. Zaino doesnt offer and protection just looks. Thats the only drawback of machine work it leaves the holographic effect often caused by wrong pads and inexpearence. Try some Meguiars Swirl free polish with a PC with a buffing pad. hope this helps
 
QUOTE]Zaino doesnt offer and protection just looks.[/QUOTE]





ah say what? Zaino doesn't offer protection?
 
Nope It wont protect from any abrasive neither will any product. It might protection from small bird etchings or water spots but no product really offers that much protection unless its a polymer or Synthetic.





Im not bashing Zaino. :xyxthumbs
 
JPS911- Not sure if you'll need to redo your car from scratch (I think so), but.. I sure hope you make your displeasure known to the shop that buffed your Porsche. I know it's a hassle and what's done is done, but unless you make them wish they hadn't done it they'll just do it again, or worse.



Think of it this way- even if the marring comes right out, they've STOLEN a) your money (cost of having it fixed or buying products), b) your clearcoat (which you can't get back), and WORST of all c) your TIME (which you REALLY can't get back!). Not to mention they've messed with your head.
 
Fr0zen said:
... It might protection from small bird etchings or water spots but no product really offers that much protection unless its a polymer or Synthetic.
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Umm, the last time I checked Zaino IS a synthetic polymer sealant....
 
Fr0zen said:
hmm I wasnt to fimilar with the product line up at zaino sorry.
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Hmm, maybe I should apologize. I thought every man, woman, and dog on earth knew this about Zaino! :lol
 
I'm just taking a shot in the dark here but....



Do you think that the lines are from using clay before applying Zaino? Maybe the buffing removed the Zaino and revealed the lines that were always there but covered with Zaino. Buffers as you know spin in circular or orbital directions. When you clay you usally go in lines. Just a thought.
 
That's a good point. I'm still just wondering if the lines came from claying at some point and were just now noticed.

When i was on the Zaino bandwagon i found lots of areas of light marring on cars. I think in part because the Zaino has no cleaners that breakdown or dissolve any embeded dirt and in turn it gets rubbed into the paint.

Also even the mildest clay is at least slightly physically abrasive. I've gone back to using products with a small amount of non-abrasive light cleaners because the cars i do while often nice and expensive, are real world everyday cars and not show pieces.
 
Well fair point, but in this specific instance,

A) any clay marks would be more of a scratch,

B) they wouldn't be the holographic sort of thing that move in the sunlight, and

C) it was new paint, so hadn't been clayed,

D) if you do clay right, there is nothing left behind...if you have marks, you did it too hard.
 
Just as an update, I finally had some time last night and really looked at the holographic sort of lines.



Yep, they were micro swirls, alright. DAMN. You guys were right...apparently no Zaino left. I took 3M SMR by hand, then Z5, just to see if it would work, and it looked like it would. So I did the whole car with 3M SMR, which removed about 80% of the problem. I'm planning on a second coat, then clay to be safe, then the Z regimine starting of course with Dawn to strip off any oils left from the SMR.



Sh!t...really pissed have to go through all this...had 19 coats on prior to this mess starting.



In any case, thanks for your help...I suggest taping a sign to each window from the inside if your car goes into the shop.."No wash, no buff, no nothing".
 
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