About to start paint correction - need some help

HD Polish shouldn't be dusting on you (at least very little if any). Might be using too much. How many drops were you using at a time? Should be using 4 or 5 on a fresh pad the first section and then 3 or 4 for each section after that. I also clean my pad out between sections (I use a pad brush, you can also use a terry towel).
 
Also when you're starting out, try focusing on one small section to get your technique perfected so you know what it's going to take before doing whole panels at a time (save you some time)
 
House of Wax said:
HD Polish shouldn't be dusting on you (at least very little if any). Might be using too much. How many drops were you using at a time? Should be using 4 or 5 on a fresh pad the first section and then 3 or 4 for each section after that. I also clean my pad out between sections (I use a pad brush, you can also use a terry towel).
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I used about 6 pea sized drops to prime the pad and then used 4 drops after that. I actually did not clean the pads. I tried to jam the foam Buff n Shine pads against the terry towel but it didn't seem to help much. I tried this method with speed 5 and with speed 1 - same result. Very little used product was removed from the foam pad. I might have to try the pad brush.

House of Wax said:
Also when you're starting out, try focusing on one small section to get your technique perfected so you know what it's going to take before doing whole panels at a time (save you some time)
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I tried to limit myself to a small section of the hood but then got carried away. I did a section and then went out in sunlight to see the results - that was kind of annoying. So I rushed a few times there.

Thank you House of Wax.
 
It sounds like that you may not be applying enough downward pressure on the machine. I will assure you that the Griots machine does not weigh 15 lbs, more like 5 or 6lbs and you cannot rely on just the weight of the machine to remove defects. You should have definitely seen some major improvement in the swirls with the UC and the orange pad if your technique was correct. When you are going for correction you should be using about 15-20 lbs of downward pressure. To get a feel for this, put your DA on a set of bathroom scales and apply pressure until you get to 20 lbs. This would be about the amount of pressure you would need in the correction process.
 
bswombaugh said:
It sounds like that you may not be applying enough downward pressure on the machine. I will assure you that the Griots machine does not weigh 15 lbs, more like 5 or 6lbs and you cannot rely on just the weight of the machine to remove defects. You should have definitely seen some major improvement in the swirls with the UC and the orange pad if your technique was correct. When you are going for correction you should be using about 15-20 lbs of downward pressure. To get a feel for this, put your DA on a set of bathroom scales and apply pressure until you get to 20 lbs. This would be about the amount of pressure you would need in the correction process.
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Oh I see. I will definitely try this approach next time. Very helpful! Do you recommend going with the Meguiar's Ultimate Compound? White pad?

I might actually do this tomorrow if I can. I've only got 2 orange pads, 5 white pads and some green and black pads. No cleaning brush either. Should I order more pads before I start again?

Thanks bswombaugh!
 
House of Wax said:
I find the pad brush to be quicker and easier than a towel. try going down to 3 dots instead of 4 as well
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I will get one next time I place an order. The terry towel technique is a little iffy for me. Those vibrations! :o

Ok, will reduce product as well. I think I need to take notes, heh.

Thanks House of Wax.
 
bswombaugh said:
It sounds like that you may not be applying enough downward pressure on the machine. I will assure you that the Griots machine does not weigh 15 lbs, more like 5 or 6lbs and you cannot rely on just the weight of the machine to remove defects. You should have definitely seen some major improvement in the swirls with the UC and the orange pad if your technique was correct. When you are going for correction you should be using about 15-20 lbs of downward pressure. To get a feel for this, put your DA on a set of bathroom scales and apply pressure until you get to 20 lbs. This would be about the amount of pressure you would need in the correction process.
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Got here late to the discussion--bswombaugh summed it up perfectly and dropping to 3 drops. I clean the pad after every section. I use a Denture Brush that I picked up at the Dollar Store for (you guessed it) a dollar--holding it against the pad (with the GG on it's side across my legs) while on speed 4 then use the towel method, but find it better to twist the towel up and use the rounded ball end that forms and hold against the pad while on speed 4. Never really been able to get Mike Phillips method to work. Don't know exactly the condition of your paint, but with HD Polish on an orange B&S pad I'm able to remove wash induced marring in 4-6 passes on very hard VW clear. Also, are you cross hatching your passes--first pass left to right overlapping by 50% on each pass until you cover the entire section of paint you are polishing --the second pass top to bottom overlapping each pass 50% with the successive pass? and so on and so on---
 
pwaug said:
Got here late to the discussion--bswombaugh summed it up perfectly and dropping to 3 drops. I clean the pad after every section. I use a Denture Brush that I picked up at the Dollar Store for (you guessed it) a dollar--holding it against the pad (with the GG on it's side across my legs) while on speed 4 then use the towel method, but find it better to twist the towel up and use the rounded ball end that forms and hold against the pad while on speed 4. Never really been able to get Mike Phillips method to work. Don't know exactly the condition of your paint, but with HD Polish on an orange B&S pad I'm able to remove wash induced marring in 4-6 passes on very hard VW clear. Also, are you cross hatching your passes--first pass left to right overlapping by 50% on each pass until you cover the entire section of paint you are polishing --the second pass top to bottom overlapping each pass 50% with the successive pass? and so on and so on---
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Appreciate the suggestions. I've got to fix my technique.

The orange pads I was using were foam LC pads instead of the B&S I ordered. I didn't want to use them but I figured, why not. But they should perform similarly to the BnS, hopefully.

I was trying to cross hatch but the overlapping wasn't done properly I believe.

So for the next time I do this, I believe this is what I will do, please correct me if I'm wrong:

1. Apply more pressure (15 lbs. - 20 lbs.)
2. Use some sort of brush (pad cleaning brush or Denture brush) to clean the pads more often
3. Cross hatch properly
4. Use 3 or 4 drops of product after pad has been primed (HD Polish?)

Thanks pwaug.
 
Nav45 said:
Oh I see. I will definitely try this approach next time. Very helpful! Do you recommend going with the Meguiar's Ultimate Compound? White pad?

I might actually do this tomorrow if I can. I've only got 2 orange pads, 5 white pads and some green and black pads. No cleaning brush either. Should I order more pads before I start again?

Thanks bswombaugh!
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I would go back and try the HD Polish again with the white or orange pad and the correct technique. If that doesn't get you the desired result move up to the UC on the orange or white pad. Remember to not move the polisher too fast. Check out the info listed below. It may help you.


DA Polisher Trouble Shooting Guide - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum
 
bswombaugh said:
I would go back and try the HD Polish again with the white or orange pad and the correct technique. If that doesn't get you the desired result move up to the UC on the orange or white pad. Remember to not move the polisher too fast. Check out the info listed below. It may help you.


DA Polisher Trouble Shooting Guide - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum
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I'm going to order some additional pads before I start again - I think having enough clean pads gives a novice some additional flexibility. Maybe having 7 or 8 each of orange and white pads along with some green and black ones will be good. I will definitely be weighing my pressure with the Griot's machine.
Thanks.
 
Nav45 said:
I'm going to order some additional pads before I start again - I think having enough clean pads gives a novice some additional flexibility. Maybe having 7 or 8 each of orange and white pads along with some green and black ones will be good. I will definitely be weighing my pressure with the Griot's machine.
Thanks.
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If you're talkin lc pads..... Orange is pretty coarse, so half - imho
 
Ronkh said:
If you're talkin lc pads..... Orange is pretty coarse, so half - imho
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I got LC orange pads when I actually ordered the Buff N Shine orange pads. I kept them and used them today. I couldn't get a hold of customer service so I decided to just keep them. I actually just ordered 3 Buff N Shine orange pads along with 3 white ones. This should be enough (I think) pads for next time. I also got a polishing pad cleaning brush coming.

Now on to learning about the technique ...

Thanks.
 
Nav45 said:
I got LC orange pads when I actually ordered the Buff N Shine orange pads. I kept them and used them today. I couldn't get a hold of customer service so I decided to just keep them. I actually just ordered 3 Buff N Shine orange pads along with 3 white ones. This should be enough (I think) pads for next time. I also got a polishing pad cleaning brush coming.

Now on to learning about the technique ...

Thanks.
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Not sure on the bs pad color/cut scheme
 
I was trying to emulate Junkman's technique on his Youtube videos. I used his priming technique and tried to use similar range of speed. The only difference was the technique, different polishes and downward pressure - just a few minor differences :D

Sorry to bring this again but how does one prime a foam pad with HD Polish? Do I spread it out using my fingers? Do I do it the way Junkman does it in the video - put product on pad and then quickly spread it out? Can the same priming technique be used on the Meg's Ultimate Compound if I need to use that?
 
HD Polish does not require the "traditional type" priming of spreading the product out to cover the pad. 4-6 pea sized drops should be enough product on the pad. You said that you were getting dusting from the HD Polish. I have had no problems with it dusting with me. This is telling me one of two things- or both; you are applying too much product or you are working it too long.

The UC can be primed in the traditional way and then use a few drops as you work each section.
 
Ok, I will apply 4 pea sized drops to prime the pad and then 3 pea sized drops from then on. I will be receiving a pad cleaning brush so I will be using that after doing a section. Do you think one pad will be sufficient for the hood if I clean it with the brush?

I will try the HD Polish first because I'm hoping that only one polish will be enough. This time, I will work on the technique.

Thanks bswombaugh.
 
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