A glaze that won't strip wax?

MDRX8 said:
But think about it. Something that contains silicones and oils to bright your car WILL break down waxes and sealants. Good detailing!!



By that reasoning it would also break down anything applied on top of it. I know from experience that is not the case. I have been using Meguiars products for years under all sorts of waxes and I have never noticed a difference in longevity using a glaze vs not using a glaze. Just sounds like more silicone paranoia to me :grinno:
 
MDRX8 said:
Polishes and glazes like Meguire's are full of silicone sp? and oils that bring the shine out. At the same time they do remove the waxes and sealants on the car. They should be used prior to a lsp. CALL Mcguire's and ask them.1-800-347-5700 I think I'm 90% correct. Let me know.



MDRX8 said:
But think about it. Something that contains silicones and oils to bright your car WILL break down waxes and sealants. Good detailing!!



If the silicones and oils will break down waxes and sealants than explain why it would be any different applying them before or after your wax or sealant. Is there something special about these silicones that only allows them to break down wax when they are on top vs beneath the layer :grinno:



Just sounds like silicone paranoia to me ;)
 
I've used #7 and #81 for years to apply over wax just hours before a show and these products have never removed the wax. The oily wet look doesn't last unless you seal it in after the show with another coat of wax though.
 
I have just emailed Mike Mike Phillips at McGuires and asked him to respond to this thread. I would like the record straight myself because I would love to put a Glaze over wax!! That would be great! Thanks Guys for your input.
 
MDRX8 said:
I have just emailed Mike Mike Phillips at McGuires and asked him to respond to this thread. I would like the record straight myself because I would love to put a Glaze over wax!! That would be great! Thanks Guys for your input.



Not really sure why you would want to put a glaze over your wax unless you just want the added gloss for a car show or something. As I stated before Meguiars pure polishes do not protect the paint at all and they will not last without something applied over them. About the only time I have used a glaze over another product is when I apply Klasse SG, sometimes I put Meguiars #7/#26 over it. I get the look I like and when it wears away I still have the durability of Klasse SG underneath. My point in all this is that glazes like Meguiars pure polishes will NOT remove an existing layer of wax or sealant. It is more likely the mechanical action of a foam applicator pad would abrade an existing wax layer more.
 
I live in SC too. We get days free of rain I would like to add Show Car glaze for the looks. I already get people asking me "is that the orginal paint job or did that car come like that" The glaze would be a bonus.
 
MDRX8 said:
Polishes and glazes like Meguire's are full of silicone.



Where did you get this? This is how bad information spreads and rumors get started. Someone posts something like the above with no foundation of truth behind it.



MDRX8 said:
At the same time they do remove the waxes and sealants on the car.



Define the word, they.



Meguiar's offers two kinds of polishes, Cleaner/Polishes and Pure Polishes



From Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle





Step-3 Polishing

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Meguiar's offers two types of polishes, Cleaner Polishes and Pure Polishes. Cleaner Polishes are for removing very light or fine defects while restoring a crystal clear, smooth high gloss surface. Pure polishes are for finishes already in excellent condition and are for the purpose or creating brilliant high gloss with deep dark reflections.



If you look in Webster's Dictionary under the word polish, one of the definitions they include reads like this:



"A preparation that is used to produce gloss, and often color for the protection and decoration of a surface."



This definition best describes Meguiar's Pure Polishes. Meguiar's pure polishes are designed to create brilliant high gloss while preparing the surface for the application of a protective coating. Meguiar's pure polishes accomplish this without the use of abrasives.





Another definition found in Webster's Dictionary for polish is,



"To make smooth and glossy by friction."



This definition best describes Meguiar's Cleaner/Polishes. Meguiar's cleaner polishes are formulated to very gently abrade the surface with Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive TM and Buffered Abrasive TM technology to remove the finest defects and create a perfectly smooth, high gloss finish.



Depending on what type of paint you're working on, traditional paints like lacquers and enamels, or catalyzed clear coats, Meguiar's has the products specifically designed to work on both types of paints, not to mention many other surfaces such as plastics and polyester resins (Fiberglas Gel-coats).





Meguiar's Trade Secret Polishing Oils

The trade secret oils Meguiar's uses in both types of polishes are unique to the industry and to this day have never been surpassed for creating deep, dark reflections and brilliant high gloss by any of our competitors in over 100 years.



The oils Meguiar's uses are also important in maintaining the original condition of the paint by filling in the naturally occurring microscopic pores and surface imperfections thus preventing detrimental substances and elements as simple as water, or worse, acid-rain, from entering into these pores and microscopic surface imperfections thus causing oxidation and chemical etching. These oils act to replace the original resins as they wear away through natural processes.



When paint is new, it is the most impermeable it will ever be, this means it is a very smooth non-porous, continuous film. With age, exposure to the environment and micro-scratching caused by day-in, day-out wear and tear, your paint develops micro-fissures in the surface along with other defects. These micro-fissures and other defects act to make the continuous film or coating of paint more porous. As this happens, your car's finish becomes more vulnerable to corrosive elements that will attack and degrade your finish.





Remember, waxes, synthetic or otherwise, are meant to be Sacrificial Barriers with the intended purpose sealing the surface, while blocking those things that would attack your paint, from coming into direct contact with the paint.



"Waxes protect your finish by sacrificing themselves so that your paint doesn't have to"



An analogy is your skin. In the same way you can clean, polish and protect your skin, you can clean, polish and protect your car's finish. Soap can be used to clean your skin and remove dirt from the pores. Skin lotions can be used to moisturize your skin, conditioning it and making it more clear and beautiful. Protection products like lotions used to protect hands from exposure to chemicals and UV protectants can be applied to help protect your skin from the things that would attack your skin if these harmful things could come into direct contact with your skin.



While human skin and automotive paint are very different, the analogy is very similar. With Meguiar's, you can:





MDRX8 said:
They should be used prior to a lsp. CALL Mcguire's and ask them. 1-800-347-5700 I think I'm 90% correct. Let me know.



(Meguiar's is spelled, M-e-g-u-i-a-r-'-s) ;)



Generally speaking, you should apply a pure polish before applying a paint protectant. But that's not to say that if you want to glaze your car's finish using one of our pure polishes before going to a car show that you can't. We're certainly not going to stop you. The idea being to create a glossy, show car shine for the day.



A product like #7 Show Car Glaze, (Originally called Sealer and Reseal Glaze), has been around since the 1930's and is famous for creating show car finishes by making the paint look clear, rich in color and glossy.



Our pure polishes like #7 will wash off with water as they are not formulated to protect or to last, but to create brilliant gloss. Waxes and Paint Protectants are formulated to protect and to last. In the Meguiar's line, pure polishes and paint protectants are completely different categories of products. Meguiar's is one of the few companies that offers a non-abrasive pure polish for the purpose of creating beauty. Most companies that offer a product with the word polish on the label infer it to mean an abrasive product. Not true with Meguiar's and this is how it's been since our first polish in 1901.





Hope this helps...
 
1. FACT - I WAS ****WAY**** WRONG ABOUT APPLYING A GLAZE OVER A WAX OR SEALANT



2. FACT MY SPELLING IS BAD.



3. I AM SORRY FOR POSTING INCORRECT INFO.



4. I WAS RIGHT THAT GLAZES SHOULD BE USED PRIOR TO A WAX OR SEALANT.



I emailed Mike to get the facts straight and he responded and I thank him for doing so. So now I can add a little Show Car Glaze without hurting my wax or sealant!



Good Detailing....Good thread......set me straight.
 
Okay so maybe I'm looking for a filler-wax with no cleaners in it. That leaves NXT out of the question. What are some good filler waxes for use when wash induced marring starts to appear, but abrasive polishing is not desired?
 
Acording to Mike you must use a pure polish like.......

http://meguiars.com/estore/product_list.cfm?sectionname=Professional%20(Mirror%20Glaze%20Brand)>Auto%20Paint%20Care>Car%20Polishes>Pure%20Polishes&sectionID=31401
 
BlackSunshine said:
Okay so maybe I'm looking for a filler-wax with no cleaners in it. That leaves NXT out of the question. What are some good filler waxes for use when wash induced marring starts to appear, but abrasive polishing is not desired?



Any wax worth it's weight in beans fills.



Think about it... if a wax, (or paint protectant by any other name, for example Sal Zaino calls his paint protectant a polish), leaves behind a protective layer, then it's filling because it's coating over and remaining behind. Anything that coats over and remains by definition will be filling. Thus any wax worth it's weight in beans will fill to some degree because if it's working, it's leaving itself behind.



NXT does contain a very sleight amount of cleaners in it, not enough to be used like a cleaner/wax for example like Klasse AIO, or Meguiar's ColorX.



NXT does a remarkable job of eliminating fine scratches, but as you wash your car, like any sacrificial barrier coating, it will wear off, that's because its supposed to wear off, the idea being that a car wax sacrifices itself so your paint doesn't have to.



Experiment with some pure waxes, you'll find something you like sooner or later...
 
I currently have 3 coats of Autoglym Extra Gloss topped with a coat of Megs #16.



Could I add a coat of #7 or #81 without the risk of effecting anything below it?



Cheers



Rich
 
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