8 way under $20 wax test: 845, 476s, S100, AG HD, CG XXX, PETES 53, MEGS 26, BUTTERY

Awesome, AWESOME test. Thank you so much for taking the time to demonstrate the products. I'm surprised by the durability of the AG HD wax, I wouldn't have expected that. However, is beading the best indicator that the product is still there and protecting the paint?



I'm going to have to pick up some AG HD wax now to give it a try now. I would have loved to see 1000P in the test, but based on previous tests, 476 outlasts it, so by proxy it likely wouldn't be beading as long.
 
Thanks for the update EB. I think it may be the yellow carnauba wax that 'darkens' similar effect from Glasur.



What are you using to wax the whole car? Something from the test or something new and exciting?
 
From what I have read you are correct - P21S and S100 are the same. On my silver Audi it darkens to me but you know this is all subjective.



I put two coats of FK1000P on the rest of the car over the last two days - nothing new and exciting. I'm not too happy with the look though, so I'll probably top it with something else in a few weeks. I also had a terrible time on the second coat - the first coat I did a few sections and buffed - worked great. Second coat I did the whole car which took about 45 minutes. It was dusting off and gathered in the cracks, dried on like cement. Different use experience than a lot of others for me, and I had it on thin enough that you had to look from an angle to see it. Also not a big fan of having to avoid the trim.



Does beading show it is still protecting? Debated. I think the combination of beading, sheeting, and feel is about all you can do though. More important is that this was a relative test, meaning I judged all as dead similarly. So while others might call a wax "dead" at different times, the order of which wax lasts longer under however you judge it should be the same.



I am surprised by the results based on my own cars in my own climate. The difference that color of a car and whether it is garaged makes more difference than I ever would have guessed before doing these tests, so much that I now question longetivity claims across the board. I mean, in the same climate, two coats of 476, FK1000P, and 845 lasted just under 3 months on a black car sitting outside, while Pete's 53, XXX, and AG HD are lasting 7+ months on this car stored 15' away in the garage.
 
Have you tried the mf test to judge if lsp is still there? I think it was dave kg who mentioned it. If you search you 'll find it. I will try locating it as well.
 
Ch96067 said:
Have you tried the mf test to judge if lsp is still there? I think it was dave kg who mentioned it. If you search you 'll find it. I will try locating it as well.



Indications that the products durability may be diminishing- (contact angle varies) when the water beads become noticeably larger in diameter with a flat, concave or an irregular shape usually indicate that the surface tension of the wax or sealant is diminishing. Or when dust, dirt or bug residue becomes more difficult to wipe off with a quick detailing spray are indications that it may be time to renew the protection



Slickness- slide a micro fibre towel across a horizontal surface to see how much resistance there is, if there has been a significant reduction from what you experienced previously durability is probably diminishing
 
Scooby24 said:
..I would have loved to see 1000P in the test, but based on previous tests, 476 outlasts it, so by proxy it likely wouldn't be beading as long.



Interesting that the 476S outlasts the FK1000P for you. IME FK1000P lasts *longer* than 476S, at least when there are at least two coats of each. That's a big reason why I switched from 476S to FK1000P on the year-round dog-hauler.



I put two coats of FK1000P on the rest of the car over the last two days - nothing new and exciting. I'm not too happy with the look though, so I'll probably top it with something else in a few weeks. I also had a terrible time on the second coat - the first coat I did a few sections and buffed - worked great. Second coat I did the whole car which took about 45 minutes. It was dusting off and gathered in the cracks, dried on like cement. Different use experience than a lot of others for me, and I had it on thin enough that you had to look from an angle to see it. Also not a big fan of having to avoid the trim.



As you noted, looks are subjective. Sorta surprises me that you had to struggle with it like that with even a thin application, but it's not like every LSP is right for everybody.
 
I have noticed the same thing with 1000P and 476, plus the fact that 1000P seems to release gunk better from the paint.



You should do a heavy hitter wax/sealant test and have 2 panels - machine applied and worked and then a hand applied. I think they might go a different direction. Very surprising nonetheless.
 
Accumulator said:
Interesting that the 476S outlasts the FK1000P for you. IME FK1000P lasts *longer* than 476S, at least when there are at least two coats of each. That's a big reason why I switched from 476S to FK1000P on the year-round dog-hauler.



I haven't used 476 but have seen a side by side comparo someone else here did that I was referencing. I'd like to test it myself at some point, but I've still got 1000P on my own personal vehicle and who knows when it'll wear off for me to play around again. :-)
 
Great test and thanks for sticking it out like that.



It would be interesting to speculate how different the results would be if this test had been started in the fall and done in a northern latitude where snow, road salt and grime, plus tunnel washes being the norm vs hand washing with premium car washes. My guess is you may have had a 50% reduction in durability in that environment.
 
We get beading on clean paint after a Step A or Fk1119 Wash and clay.... All about the amount of "grip" holding the edges of the water droplet into a shape. Good stuff!
 
autoaesthetica said:
We get beading on clean paint after a Step A or Fk1119 Wash and clay....



I find that sometimes I get that, sometimes I don't. I figure a lot of it has to do with the condition of the surface.
 
Last update - 8.5 months. Today I did yet another wash, and found that CG Petes 53 and AG HD were still beading a little and were the only sections sheeting water, albeit very slowly. However, they have both likely been dead a few weeks using the same way of judging that I have used before.



Petes 53 at 8.5 months:

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AG HD at 8.5 months:

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Any chance you have a control section for this test ? ie. paint with NOTHING on it?



I only ask because completely bare paint beads similar to that depending on water and angle.
 
The control section at this point would be the other sections of the hood that have not had any protection in the 6 months since the waxes on those sections died. I agree that this beading is not too far off from just bare paint. I could still tell some difference in water sheeting off in the two sections, but really I'd say both of these remaining waxes have been on their last leg for a few weeks.
 
I would run out of surprise emoticons, as I would have bet a considerable amount of money on 476S blitzing the rest of the field and 845IW taking silver. Surprising findings, and thanks for the updates!
 
I also think the hood actually is subjected to varying temperatures from engine heat, very cool to see this with an IR or laser thermometer, so that could also affect the test, but the results speak for themselves, thanks for the test.
 
Weird because Ive read that Pete's 53 was about as durable as P21s in other forums. If this experiment is correct, thats a heck of a good "beauty" wax!
 
KneeDragr said:
Weird because Ive read that Pete's 53 was about as durable as P21s in other forums. If this experiment is correct, thats a heck of a good "beauty" wax!



Yeah, I was surprised with Petes 53 also. I'll re-emphasize, though, that while this test provides a relative comparison among these waxes you should not think you will get the same durability. On my car sitting outside, I had two layers of 476s, and it lasted only a couple of months while this test was running. HUGE difference between a lighter colored car that is garage kept and gets only mild washings verse a dark color car that sits outside in the sun and rain. I also let these waxes go longer than I normally would - I normally reapply once beading starts to fall off, but I kept the test running in this case a little longer because some of these waxes were still sheeting nicely so I knew there was something there. Just want to make sure people aren't going to start claiming Petes 53 or AG HD give 8 months of protection - although they did in this case, there are too many environmental variables to extract that to other situations.
 
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