bronze2006
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Any one heard of 5 Star Shine www.5starshine.com you can get it for 50 bucks on ebay. It looks really interesting but is it too good to be true? Comments? Opinions? Reviews?
5 Star Shine
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togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
Quote: 5 STAR SHINE's main ingredient, PTFE, is one of the slipperiest substances known to man. It's this slick substance that repels dirt like crazy and keeps your car incredibly clean. If you have a fast Internet connection, make sure you check out Video #2 (below picture of our bottle), that shows how our PTFE protection is so slick that not even water can stick to it! When washing is needed you can simply rinse dirt away with a hose! Nothing is easier! Nothing protects as well! Nothing compares!
~One man’s opinion /observations~
I’ve been waiting 40+ years for something that water won’t stick to and you can rinse dirt off with a hose, all this and it contains PTFE, what more could I ask for.
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
~One man’s opinion /observations~
I’ve been waiting 40+ years for something that water won’t stick to and you can rinse dirt off with a hose, all this and it contains PTFE, what more could I ask for.
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
bronze2006
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do you work for 5 star shine? or do you use it and think it is really good
imported_chadster
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6cyl's_of_fury
its naturally curly......
Yeah, the nicoclub forum review are totally unbiased as well.....
Im sure that 5 star shine is an ok product, but it is just these ridiculous claims that are made by the manufacturer that leave me shaking my head.
Im sure that 5 star shine is an ok product, but it is just these ridiculous claims that are made by the manufacturer that leave me shaking my head.
imported_chadster
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Sure, I can understand your skepticism. Only time will tell through the people that are using as to the durability. I myself am going on just about a year with my car treated.
-Chad
-Chad
imported_elortt
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http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35009&highlight=star
you can get anywhere from 10-20 applications from any high quality sealant (16oz) and with periodic maintenance (less than 1hr weekly) you can make it last a year also, wash and qd and your good to go......save the money and buy some cookware if you just need a teflon fix....
Eric
you can get anywhere from 10-20 applications from any high quality sealant (16oz) and with periodic maintenance (less than 1hr weekly) you can make it last a year also, wash and qd and your good to go......save the money and buy some cookware if you just need a teflon fix....
Eric
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
I apologise for my sarcasm, let me explain:
Teflon ®:
A synthetic polymer formula produced by Du Pont Chemicals, they state;� The addition of a Teflon® fluoropolymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of any car wax, we have no data that indicates the use of Teflon® to be beneficial in car waxes. Teflon® requires a temperature of 680oF for it to "sinter" or bond to a surface.�
~I hope this helps~
Teflon ®:
A synthetic polymer formula produced by Du Pont Chemicals, they state;� The addition of a Teflon® fluoropolymer resin does nothing to enhance the properties of any car wax, we have no data that indicates the use of Teflon® to be beneficial in car waxes. Teflon® requires a temperature of 680oF for it to "sinter" or bond to a surface.�
~I hope this helps~
imported_chadster
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Hi TOGWT,
Here is an answer to the Teflon issue you and many others have brought up............
You can get a much more detailed description from the patent info.. here are the links if you are interested.
Abridged version From the 5 Star site:
http://5starshine.com/patent.html
Actual patent from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...0&s1=5081171.WKU.&OS=PN/5081171&RS=PN/5081171
The product has had a few incarnations as the USPTO link will show. The most recent is what 5 Star Shine is. 5 Star Shine directly addresses the issues you correctly stated with the Teflon (PTFE) bonding etc......
In a nutshell this is how it works: The polarizing solution rids the paint of all the previous wax build-up and pollutants on and within the pores. After removing, this process leaves the surface with a positive charge.
Here's what happens when the step 2 solution is applied: (solution 2 contains PTFE suspended mixed in an aqueous solution of protectants)
The PTFE molecules, which are negatively charged, get pulled onto and into the positively charged paint and pores. As the PTFE molecules are getting in place, the protective coatings in which the PTFE is suspended in (which are listed in the patent) cure, cross-link and hold the PTFE in place as it expands and coats the surface. In fact, the PTFE molecules expand and elongate effectively covering the entire surface.
So, yes the PTFE becomes 'fused or attached to' or 'coats' the paint by the means of a positive charge and expansion but it is held in place by the other curing liquid protectants cross-linking themselves with the PTFE. (once again, explained in more detail within the patent explanation)
The thing that confuses people is that yes, PTFE in itself alone needs the high heat in order to become fused (fused by definition means : to blend thoroughly by or as if by melting together) to another surface as Dupont correctly states.
What 5 Star Shine does is bypass this requirement by means of the cross-linking solution and curing process.
Hopefully this helps explain things better. I of course am no chemist but ultimately what people want to see are results. The results I and others are getting are what 5 Star Shine claims to give.
Here is an answer to the Teflon issue you and many others have brought up............
You can get a much more detailed description from the patent info.. here are the links if you are interested.
Abridged version From the 5 Star site:
http://5starshine.com/patent.html
Actual patent from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...0&s1=5081171.WKU.&OS=PN/5081171&RS=PN/5081171
The product has had a few incarnations as the USPTO link will show. The most recent is what 5 Star Shine is. 5 Star Shine directly addresses the issues you correctly stated with the Teflon (PTFE) bonding etc......
In a nutshell this is how it works: The polarizing solution rids the paint of all the previous wax build-up and pollutants on and within the pores. After removing, this process leaves the surface with a positive charge.
Here's what happens when the step 2 solution is applied: (solution 2 contains PTFE suspended mixed in an aqueous solution of protectants)
The PTFE molecules, which are negatively charged, get pulled onto and into the positively charged paint and pores. As the PTFE molecules are getting in place, the protective coatings in which the PTFE is suspended in (which are listed in the patent) cure, cross-link and hold the PTFE in place as it expands and coats the surface. In fact, the PTFE molecules expand and elongate effectively covering the entire surface.
So, yes the PTFE becomes 'fused or attached to' or 'coats' the paint by the means of a positive charge and expansion but it is held in place by the other curing liquid protectants cross-linking themselves with the PTFE. (once again, explained in more detail within the patent explanation)
The thing that confuses people is that yes, PTFE in itself alone needs the high heat in order to become fused (fused by definition means : to blend thoroughly by or as if by melting together) to another surface as Dupont correctly states.
What 5 Star Shine does is bypass this requirement by means of the cross-linking solution and curing process.
Hopefully this helps explain things better. I of course am no chemist but ultimately what people want to see are results. The results I and others are getting are what 5 Star Shine claims to give.
jasonatv22
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Chadster, uh, don't beleive everything you read. However, their description does at least make an attempt to answer the question, "If PTFE is so slick, how does it stick to my car?"
Ok, you know how oil and water don't mix? Water is polar. Water and polar stuff will mix. Oil isn't polar, neither is wax. Oil and other non-polar stuff mixes well. But actually, that's overly simple, as even oil and water will mix a little, a little oil dissolved in water, a little water dissolved in oil. Don't beleive? Put motor oil on water. Wait one day. Insert straw and taste water off bottom. Yuck.
Water doesn't "stick" to wax either.
I just wish there was some way I could by some wax and just plain cover my car in it.
Ad: "Tired of waxing your car?"
Me: "No."
Ad: "Want incredible shine that never needs waxing?"
Me: "Never? ... Are you...a god?"
Ad: "Check this site using 'Five Star Shine' for details."
Me: "No."
Ok, you know how oil and water don't mix? Water is polar. Water and polar stuff will mix. Oil isn't polar, neither is wax. Oil and other non-polar stuff mixes well. But actually, that's overly simple, as even oil and water will mix a little, a little oil dissolved in water, a little water dissolved in oil. Don't beleive? Put motor oil on water. Wait one day. Insert straw and taste water off bottom. Yuck.
Water doesn't "stick" to wax either.
I just wish there was some way I could by some wax and just plain cover my car in it.
Ad: "Tired of waxing your car?"
Me: "No."
Ad: "Want incredible shine that never needs waxing?"
Me: "Never? ... Are you...a god?"
Ad: "Check this site using 'Five Star Shine' for details."
Me: "No."
imported_chadster
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Postwood said:
Hey Postwood,
I actually work for 5 Star and have done tons of research etc. I am a user and the reason I got involved with the company is because it has worked incredibly on my old Volvo with 165,000 miles.
I've spent alot of my time explaining how it works etc. It is fine if you don't believe. Though there are many many people like yourself who haven't tried things because they are skeptical.. Don't let that cloud your opinion all the time. Just know that I have the non-biased examples of on-going users who are now believers. Those are in the links that I posted.
-Chad