#425... I hate when people say WOW!

Sherman8r44 said:
But Bence, you know quite well that FX is used as a QD, and from what I've heard so is Nanowax. So they are no harder to use than 425, and they probably last almost as long as a booster wax. My question is, does 425 have any real cleaning ability? If it doesn't, which I strongly suspect, then there still has to be some sort of cleaning step in the first place...so then what exactly separates this from FX/Nano?



wannafbody, I doubt that 425 lasts quite as long as they claim...judging by the reviews 3-4 weeks seems to be the actual longevity. I have found FX to last 2-3 weeks by itself, which is not far off.
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Sherman, I dont use FX spray as a QD. I use a QD for dust removal every 1-2 days. I use a spray wax after the weekly or biweekly washes to boost protection.

Of course, using the other spray waxes is no harder than 425 (except Reflections; let haze/wipe off). Absolutely true. But strictly, the 425 is a gloss enhancer with no real cleaning power. A QD. Its relative durability, stability and compatibility is a huge plus. If you want more cleaning, use the 146, but it still ain't a QEW-type product. Or if you want a spray sealant, use the FX-100.

BTW, FK states that 425 gives 3, max. 4 weeks of protection. This is an added bonus to the usual gloss-enhancing capabilities/anti static properties/etc., that no QD can match in my experience.
 
Bence said:
Sherman, I dont use FX spray as a QD. I use a QD for dust removal every 1-2 days. I use a spray wax after the weekly or biweekly washes to boost protection.

Of course, using the other spray waxes is no harder than 425 (except Reflections; let haze/wipe off). Absolutely true. But strictly, the 425 is a gloss enhancer with no real cleaning power. A QD. Its relative durability, stability and compatibility is a huge plus. If you want more cleaning, use the 146, but it still ain't a QEW-type product. Or if you want a spray sealant, use the FX-100.

BTW, FK states that 425 gives 3, max. 4 weeks of protection. This is an added bonus to the usual gloss-enhancing capabilities/anti static properties/etc., that no QD can match in my experience.
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My bad Bence, I meant "like a QD", not "as a QD"...talking only about how ease of use. Soo let me get this straight...425 has enough cleaning power to get through a couple days worth of dust?
 
I have used it a couple of times on my car with '4 days old' dust. With a high nap MF mitt, it cleaned sufficiently well, without marring. Then I did the car once more with an ultra plush MF and it was perfect.
 
I performed a little test today after my QEW wash. I have a silver Honda and use Klasse AIO and SG. After the wash I applied my brand new 425 on the driver side panel, my old reliable home brew QD of 3:1 ratio SG and distilled water on the driver side rear door panel and my favorite QD of all time, Menzerna HGAS on the fender panel (which is about as large as the door panels - it is a Honda Ridgeline truck). I did this in the garage and then took the truck out in the bright sun - which you really need to do to see anything with this billet silver color.



I was amazed at how all three panels looked so much alike. Each went on equally easy although I find using even a little too much Menzerna will take some extra elbow grease. If someone had done this for me and I had to do a blind test not knowing which was which, I would be hard pressed to tell one from the other. I sort of think the Menzerna panel had a tad more gloss but not enough that anyone would notice.



If the 425 is as durable as they say, that may be a big plus. However, I find the Menzerna to be the most durable QD I have ever used up to now. And the beauty of my Klasse SG home brew QD is that I am applying more of what my topper is and so I'm sort of constantly fortifying my lsp. Also, I have so much SG (I use it twice a year, three applications each time) that if I did not use it as QD the jug would last longer than me.



I'm still going to experiment of course and I have some Poorboy's Spray and Gloss and Jeffs Acrylic Glos that I have not used yet to compare to the ones above. But unless the 425 really shows some long term durability traits over the Menzerna (and no way is it as cost effective as my home brew), I'm afraid that, for my color at least, the 425 will just get used up on my golf cart.



BTW, except for my home brew (which is always applied by mister, not spray bottle), all these things can't be found very often in stores and are just too darn expensive too begin with, even without factoring the shipping costs. Dollar for dollar and especially for an OTC product that can be found everywhere, Eagle One's blue bottle W&S is darn hard to beat.
 
Bence said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that HGAS is a spray sealant, not a QD...
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2 products in one - easily QD's 2-3 day old dust http://www.properautocare.com/mehiglacsh.html
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PINITI-FX said:
2 products in one - easily QD's 2-3 day old dust ]
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HGAS has to be applied under the best conditions i.e. the shade and doesn't clean that well. It's also rather expensive. I have it and use it but it's really not that great.
 
What two?



Excerpt from properautocare's website: "High Gloss Acrylic Shield is not a quick-detail spray. It is a spray-on, polymer sealant."



What are we talking about?



Edit: Chris, you were quicker...
 
They may have changed the marketing for HGAS somewhat. It was marketed as a QD when it first came out.



I have a bunch of it, and it works well for maintaining FMJ, but it doesn't wipe up as cleanly as a QD and streaks in certain situations, so I can see why they started calling it a spray sealant.



- Justin
 
When I wrote about HGAS as part of my three panel test today, I simply used it as a QD. I have always found it to be more than that however. As someone said, it does have sealant properties to it, hence the very good durability I have always found when using it. And yes, it does have to be applied under the right circumstances and in the right amount. As I said before, put even a little too much on and it takes extra elbow grease.



The host of polymer/acrylic QDs out there today (the ones especially compatible with my Klasse twins for example) are only a fine line from being spray sealants. I think ease of use, as opposed to the work and cureing time required of most true sealants, along with longevity are the factors that make them closer to QDs than actual sealants. They add gloss and remove light dust, water spots and bird bombs just like QDs but these add protection as well. Some do it better than others. This is the evolution of QDs we have seen in recent years with products such as Menzerna HGAS, Poorboys S&G, Jeffs AG and now 425 - it is the durability factor that makes them something a little more than the traditional QDs of old. It is somewhat similar to what has happened with spray waxes.



As far as Menzerna is concerned, it is excellent if you apply it right, at least on the color silver covered with a polymer sealant (which has been my only experience with it). As I mentioned before, in my limited test today the 425 seems to be right up there with it as far as looks. Now, the real test for 425 will be in its durability. It is there that 425 can make its best statement and set it apart from the others.
 
Bence said:
What two?



Excerpt from properautocare's website: "High Gloss Acrylic Shield is not a quick-detail spray. It is a spray-on, polymer sealant."



What are we talking about?



Edit: Chris, you were quicker...
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If you're gonna quote, please do so in its' entirety! ~ Thank you very much! :clap:
High Gloss Acrylic Shield is not a quick-detail spray. It is a spray-on, polymer sealant. Quick detail sprays diminish true surface slipperiness every time they are used. This occurs because the cleaners in Quick Detail sprays actually remove some surface polymers. They may create a short-lived, slippery finish by using silicone oils but these oils attract dust and do little to increase durability. High Gloss Acrylic Shield contains the same super-slippery, high gloss, acrylic polymer used in FMJ. Every time you apply a layer of High Gloss Acrylic Shield you add a micro-fine, super slippery, gloss jacket that increases depth of shine and extends the durability of the initial polymer coating.



High Gloss Acrylic Shield is paint safe and lasts weeks not days!



High Gloss Acrylic Shield will increase surface gloss, restore slipperiness and extend protection for weeks with a simple spray-on, wipe and buff off application.
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Piniti,



If you're gonna quote, please understand its entirety!



The remaining test is generic, average marketing talk. QDs diminish slickness? How do you think QDs clean? Which of them contains alcohol? What kind of alcohol? How does it work? Silicone oils? What kind of oils? What do they do exactly? What makes the HGAS' acrylic sooo special?



How do you think that a polymer based anti static QD contains oils which attract dust? (based on that we are talking about 425 + from the context) Is HGAS paint safe? Bravo. Nevertheless, the 425 is a QD, the HGAS is a spray sealant. Being a sealant it is not that unique that it has better durability. But when a QD has similar durability, well, it is definitely an achievement. Do you agree, don't you?



Just curious...
 
Bence said:
Piniti,



The remaining test is generic, average marketing talk. QDs diminish slickness? How do you think QDs clean? Which of them contains alcohol? What kind of alcohol? How does it work? Silicone oils? What kind of oils? What do they do exactly? What makes the HGAS' acrylic sooo special?



How do you think that a polymer based anti static QD contains oils which attract dust? (based on that we are talking about 425 + from the context) Is HGAS paint safe? Bravo. Nevertheless, the 425 is a QD, the HGAS is a spray sealant. Being a sealant it is not that unique that it has better durability. But when a QD has similar durability, well, it is definitely an achievement. Do you agree, don't you?
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But Bence, couldn't the Menzerna also clean several-day-old dust off the car? Which would put it in the same league as 425, right?



:wall I'm so damn confused!
 
Sherman, basically every liquid can remove the light dust (1 day), fingerprints, etc. Yes, the HGAS has the ability to clean that dust. However a good QD disturbs the original sealant/wax layer the least. It can add some slickness, some gloss though. What is more important, it lubricates and encapsulates the dust particles as it lifts them up from the surface. This is a QD's purpose. There is no need to waste a sealant or lay down another coat.
 
SilverLexus said:
Anyone try HGAS on Zaino?
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Yes, that's how I first got introduced to HGAS. I use to be a strick Zaino user, after a Z-2PRO application, I didn't have enough Z-6 or Z-8, so a friend asked me to try a panel or two with HGAS - WOW! ...used it again a couple of days later, it seems to have the cleaning ability of Z-6 combined with the slickness of Z-8 ... was so impressed, I decided to try FMJ - just as good if not better/easier than Zaino. ~ This thread caused me to order/try FK 425 ... it proved well but not nearly as good as Mist 'N Shine from Wizards http://wizardsproducts.com/Merchant..._Code=WP&Product_Code=W0001214&Category_Code=
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...However the ultimate combination is without a doubt FMJ & HGAS!
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:thx
 
PINITI-FX said:
2 products in one - easily QD's 2-3 day old dust http://www.properautocare.com/mehiglacsh.html
classic-motoring_1885_31904689
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I totally love HGAS. I use it over FMJ. I did find out recently to be sure the surface is absolutely dry before applying. or it will haze pretty badly. For this reason I wouldn't recommend applying it immediately after washing.



Also, it is hard to apply this product when it is -3*F, although you Americans probably don't detail in this kind of weather very often.



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Reflections said:
I totally love HGAS. I use it over FMJ. I did find out recently to be sure the surface is absolutely dry before applying. or it will haze pretty badly. For this reason I wouldn't recommend applying it immediately after washing.



Also, it is hard to apply this product when it is -3*F, although you Americans probably don't detail in this kind of weather very often.



snowtorrent.jpg
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That pic reminds me of the golf-course community in High River.
 
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