4* UPP - white spots everywhere - HELP!

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Inzane

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Hi Guys,



Its been a while since I posted about a detail I've done.



Last sunday I decided to detail my daily-driven '01 Sentra. I had washed and clayed it a night or two prior. On sunday I:

- used Menzerna FPII w/ a LC white polishing pad

- used DACP w/ meg's yellow pad or Menzerna IP w/ a LC orange pad (where req'd) - not the whole car

- used AIO w/ a LC white polishing pad

- used 4* UPP w/ a LC grey finishing pad



Everything went great except it was my first time using UPP and it was very liquid and runny. I might've used too much product. My PC was only running at speed ~4. But there were a few places where I'd accidently lifted off the car and got some SPLATTER. I left the UPP that I'd applied on the car for ~45 minutes, and was a breeze to remove with MFs. EXCEPT where it had splattered... it was a bear to get off. By that time it was getting dark to so my light in the garage by then wasn't the greatest. Using quick detailer, and sometimes PB's S&W, I did my best to wipe the splatter off.



Anyway, after that detail it rained straight for four days. It wasn't until last night that I finally got to wash the car again (NXT soap w/ a sheepskin). Well to my surprise, there were white spots on a lot of the car, even in places where I didn't think I had splattered it previously. And they didn't come off in the wash.



Is this normal for UPP? What does it take to get them off?



Can I get by just with re-applying AIO w/ a polishing pad, and then apply UPP by HAND? Will that work? I don't think I'll be able to find the time anytime soon to re-clay and do another whole polishing step(s).



Thanks.



Jason
 
As papi suggested, I'd try to *lightly* clay over the car again, and then reapply the UPP, except this time don't use anywhere near as much. If you clay lightly enough, you won't even need to AIO again, but if you see and defects at all from your clay, then yes, AIO again.



Remember, a little bit goes a very long way. All you should use is a small dot roughly the size of a quarter or smaller in the center of the pad for an entire panel.
 
The extent of the spotting is huge. if i had to re-clay the whole car again, chances are i'd create new marrs/scratches and have to redo the whole swirl removal step(s), which I was hoping to avoid if possible.



Reapplying AIO and a layer of UPP would be quicker and easier, at least I think.
 
Inzane- How did this work out? Were you able to remove the spots with AIO, or did you have to use a PC or what?



I, too, have lots of these light white spots and am a UPP user (big fan of 4*). I must admit that I apply way too much UPP (I have a hard time grasping the less-is-more concept, ugh!).



My preference on this auto is to use straight 4* products, so I'd prefer to use UPC instead of AIO if possible. Does anyone know how the cleaning properties of AIO and 4* UPC compare? In my collection I also have Optimum Polish and can go to that if necessary.



Any help you guys can provide is greatly appreciated.



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Realizing that I'm a fanatic about thin applications of LSPs, the only time I've had white spots from UPP was from when it contacted some *water*. UPP and H2O do *NOT* play well together and the spots can be a real pain to remove.



If a QD doesn't do it I'd try a) reapplying UPP over the spots, see if it'll do the "like products solvent action" thing, b) redo the UPC/AIO.



Try any fixes on one area so you don't compound (pardon the detailing-context pun :o ) your difficulties.



Thin thin thin, excess product just causes problems ;)
 
I do have multiple layers of UPP on the surface and they have not gone away, and I have also tried QD'ing them (I regularly use UGE) without luck. I always keep my car garaged for the 24 hour curing period after each application, so I don't think water, dew or humidity is the prob.



These things are almost invisible and you have to be looking at just the right angle to see them and they seem to be underneath the top layer, or at least it doesn't look to be on top of the surface. Make sense???



I wonder if it might be a reaction between the Zxilon clear coat and UPP? This is a new auto and I had Zxilon applied before I picked it up. I didn't apply anything to the Zxilon surface for a couple weeks though.
 
OK, I just got off the phone with Granitize, the company that produces/owns Xzilon, which is the clear coat that I had put on when I bought the car. The nice representative that I spoke with indicated that it is likely that when the clear coat was applied at the dealer that not all the water/moisture was removed, thus causing the spots. Since these are very light spots and you have to be looking from just the right angle it is tough to notice, but when you are in the right light and looking from the right angle you can see tons of these spots. Also, since they are seem to be on horizontal surfaces it seems to support what I was told by the Granitize rep.



Tonight I will be stopping by the dealership to speak with the sales & service managers to pursue this further. Updates to follow...
 
Docker- OK sounds like you're on the right track. "Now you tell me" advice :o is to avoid stuff like the Xzilon, which I'd never heard about before. That's the "uh-oh" factor in this that probably explains everything. The closest I come to even semi-permanent coatings is KSG ;)
 
Accumulator said:
Docker- OK sounds like you're on the right track. "Now you tell me" advice :o is to avoid stuff like the Xzilon, which I'd never heard about before. That's the "uh-oh" factor in this that probably explains everything. The closest I come to even semi-permanent coatings is KSG ;)
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Yep, I'm on the right track, but I reserve judgement at least at this point from saying that this product should be avoided. When applied correctly and the consumer understands what they are getting and "how to use it" it serves a purpose (purposely avoiding bringing the cost element in to the mix - whole nother can of worms, ugh). However, for detailers like us :spot it is probably not preferred to have.



I learned a couple things regarding the warranty and conditions of the warranty of the product that I need to check into today and this evening then I'll provide more info...
 
[quote name='docker']OK, I just got off the phone with Granitize, the company that produces/owns Xzilon, which is the clear coat that I had put on when I bought the car.
Is this some sort of "dealer-applied paint protection package"?
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White95Max said:
[quote name='docker']OK, I just got off the phone with Granitize, the company that produces/owns Xzilon, which is the clear coat that I had put on when I bought the car.
Is this some sort of "dealer-applied paint protection package"?
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Affirmative. Molecular Adhesion, I think, is how they explain it.
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Yeah well the molecules of a sealant also adhere to the paint, so I guess that's protection by molecular adhesion too.



Good marketing though. It sounds so fancy and scientific. Those dealerships sure know how to rip people off.
 
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