4* UPP that good?

T. Perinne said:
I've read a bunch of good reviews about 4* UPP. Everybody raves about the "slickness". Is this product as good as its cracked up to be? Does this phenomenal slickeness add more protection than EX, Glanz, or even Klasse offer? There's so much praise for the UPP slickness I almost think I'm missing out by not using it... :) With my new black paint, any special protection like what UPP sounds like it gives is right up my alley. I've just got some PB's and Klasse to make my way through before I can get to the UPP!
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I would be happy to send you a sample if you pay for shipping. PM me if you are interested. I think once you try it you will want a bottle very quickly!
 
I agree with UPP bringing out the metallic. I used it on my dad's Audi (metallic medium silver/titanium) and couldn't believe the difference. UPP looked so much better than BFII (on this car). We all talk about POP...well, it was that much of an improvement. It's hard to believe two sealants can affect a color so differently. Don't get me wrong, the BFII looked good, it was just a muted look. UPP gave it life. Can't comment on its durability, yet. The UGE QD works similarly well. Their car wash is also nice, very slick.
 
I'd say it appears that UPP is a very good deal price wise, and it seams to have one of the best shines around. But It seams to be like Wolfgang and that product contains silicones which can damage you car. Some deep shines when it comes to sealants are a sign of silicone. I read something about that the other day where a paint guy couldn't repaint a car because of silicone damage. I can't seam to find out if UPP contains them, I really want to know. The websites that sell that don't give a lot of info about that. Usually a website will say this product is silicone free. If they don't contain silicones then UPP seams to be one of the best products out there, and a bargain too.
 
All silicones are NOT bad. Some of "your" favorite products contain a silica backbone.



If a bodyshop tells you he/she can not remove any substance from the paint... Step back and run. He/she is not a quality painter and the shop is not a quality shop.



Silicone impregnate paint that can not be cleared of this substance is a detailing myth.



:nono
 
blkZ28Conv said:
.....If a bodyshop tells you he/she can not remove any substance from the paint... Step back and run. He/she is not a quality painter and the shop is not a quality shop.......
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Very true! It is in a bodyshop that any products that contain silicone is prohibited. Thatâ€â„¢s because there is a chance of silicone getting on an already properly prepped surface ready for paint.
 
Burlyq said:
I'd say it appears that UPP is a very good deal price wise, and it seams to have one of the best shines around. But It seams to be like Wolfgang and that product contains silicones which can damage you car. Some deep shines when it comes to sealants are a sign of silicone. I read something about that the other day where a paint guy couldn't repaint a car because of silicone damage. I can't seam to find out if UPP contains them, I really want to know. The websites that sell that don't give a lot of info about that. Usually a website will say this product is silicone free. If they don't contain silicones then UPP seams to be one of the best products out there, and a bargain too.
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Sillicone does not damage paint, it just makes it harder for

fresh paint or primer to adhere properly to the metal surface.

Thats why most shops will not want sillicone products anywhere

near when they are painting. I worked in my father's

shop for many years, and I can tell firsthand the headaches

I got from dealing with cars with armorall or pledge sprayed

all over their car to make it shiny. If a car is going to be painted,

it should be thouroughly cleaned anyway to avoid contamination.

If the shop isnt doing that, then safe to say problems will come up.



That said, Wolfgang is without question my favorite sealant on

almost all the cars I work on outside of the bodyshop. UPP I keep

for myself at the moment:D
 
Wolfgang contains NON-CURING silicones. Curing silicones are the bad ones. Non-curing silicones will wipe right off just like you would buff off wax.
 
Well I'm not sure I got an answer. Zaino and klasse both claim to be silicone free for good reason. That high gloss finish reminded my of auri gold which is pure silicone. There is substancial evidence that silicones can make your car hard to paint. Maybe a shop can get it out but maybe they'll charge you double for the effort. I'm not sure what matt is saying. Silicones are simple molecules thats why they are dangerous, they slip through the molecules in the paint. If a product has them I'd bet you'd have to wipe the whole product off to avoid this sinkage. I'm just trying to find if UPP has silicones, can anyone send me a page of someone who sells 4star that says it's silicone free, then I'll buy one!
 
It sounds like there is a misconception that all silicone products are harmful to paint or shouldn't be used on paint. This is far from true. Some cheaper Dimethyl Silicone type products may harm paint, but I don't know of any products designed for use on paint that contain Dimethyl Silicone. Here's some more information:



Silicone and Paint
 
I tried WG and it's slick but I would say UPP is even slicker. The super slickness disappears after washing it, for me at least. The shine stays though.
 
TY very much scum that link was informational! But it still says silicone can mess up a paint job, just that the modern day shops have silicone removal products, but doesn't say if this is an extra charge. Seams like silicone isn't the major problem as it is has been in the past, but if there is products that don't contain them I'd just as soon stay clear of the ones that do. I've read in a couple places that fish eyes happen from silicone damage once in a while when repainting. Everyone should read that link, ty again.

Here some points from the link:

All professional body shops understand that the cars they repair have been maintained using products that contain waxes, oils and silicone. For this reason, all professional repair facilities perform the necessary preparation work required to insure that the paintwork is free of contaminates before they begin their work. In so doing, the dreaded "fish eyes" will not be a problem. The preparation work includes using special degreasers and silicone removers that effectively remove these substances from the surface or chemically alter their molecular structure in such a way to insure they pose no problems. If there is ever any question or doubt about the surface to which new paint is going to be applied, painters will use a paint additive to eliminate fish eyes.
 
blkZ28Conv said:




If a bodyshop tells you he/she can not remove any substance from the paint... Step back and run. He/she is not a quality painter and the shop is not a quality shop.



Silicone impregnate paint that can not be cleared of this substance is a detailing myth.



:nono
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Agreed. I have a good friend who owns the body shop that is the highest ranked by State Farm in the Dallas area. He told me I can use any wax or sealant I want, regardless of any silicone content. He knows how to prep the paint properly so it won't be an issue.
 
Yep, any and all detailing products will clean off with solvent. Though some take a pretty tough solvent ;) Heh heh, ever see PrepSol bead up like water? It did on my S8 with many layers of 4* UPP over 1Z (consumer) MP. They finally used lacquer thinner to clean it off.



And yeah, (for the umpteenth time :D ) 1Z polishes topped with UPP make my Auidis' metallic "pop" like nothing else ever has.
 
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