3M Perfect IT Show Car Paste?

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How does this compare with P21S? I did some searching but didn't find much, the name might be to long to give good results.



I believe it was coverd in the Guru report, is that correct?



Any info, experience would be helpful.



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I really like this product A LOT .On a dark car it gives a great shine with 6-8 weeks durability.The paste is better then the liquid.It may be a little hard to remove if you let it sit for a while.I use the liquidmore then the paste and it works for me just fine.If your car is prepped correctly it gives a dark WET shine .I am not a big fan of P21s I think this 3m is a better product.
 
Thanks for info. Why do you use the liquid more if the paste is better? Is the ease of use that much different, while the final results are very close?



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That is a good question.I have no problem working with paste but I have 3 liquid Show Car Wax bottles and just was using it up. A bottle of the liquid goes a long way because when you use it spread it real thin.I also wax my cars every 2 weeks so the liquid is good enough for me.When I am traveling a while and can't wax when I get home I might might change to paste either /or they are both great products
 
This was my wife's preferred LSP on her silver Audi for quite a while, but I've heard that they changed the formula recently.



The durability seemed to vary from good to so-so and I never did figure out why :confused: It gives a nice look (wet, good depth) and is pretty slick. It does not darken the finish appreciably in my experience (identical paint treated with BF/UPP was *much* darker in side-by-side comparisons). Goes on well by PC/Cyclo, wipes off easily enough (but I seem to think everything wipes off easily). But note that these comments refer to the older version.
 
I am not a big fan of P21s I think this 3m is a better product.
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I can't believe this statement. I used to use 3M a lot in the past and P21S kicks its ***!



It has more reflectivity, depth, durability and is a lot easier to use.



I hate to disagree so strongly but this is simply a false statement. Guru Reports backs me up on this as well.



You simply can't beat a higher content of carnauba and better technology.



The only waxes I have found that keep up with P21S on the carnauba side are the Pinnacle waxes. It destroys #16 and #26 as well which used to be my normal daily waxes in the 90s.
 
WOW ...............What makes this board interesting is that everybody has a OPINION!!!! there are a lot of waxes that I like better then P21s for starters .... CMW and TS and PIZZAZ and COLLINITE and NATTIES. Am I wrong and you are right? NO its just my OPINION .GURU REPORTS is a interesting article but with all the cars I take care of I am entitled to my OPINION. One last thing just because it has a HIGHER content of carnuba doesn't make it better or shinnier wax .I am not a big fan of P21S but that is just me. I never run go off when someone doesn't like a product that I speak highly of.
 
What makes this board interesting is that everybody has a OPINION!!!!
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Fair enough but your opinion is so far out of the mainstream here at least in terms of myself and my pals experience with 3M. 3M is just not a highly regarded wax anymore in my experience. I have lots of experience with these waxes and P21S dominates the 3M product as good as it is.



Maybe I should have been more restrained in my response in hindsight but this comment really surprised me.



Alan, I'm curious as to what areas you find lacking in P21S...



Sorry to be such a big supporter of P21S but it was one of those great products that greatly improved the quality of my work once I discovered it.
 
LEE,I can only tell you that IMHO P21S is easy on and easy off and maybe its gives you a deep wet shine OK I will give you that but where is it in durability? Does it give you 6-8 weeks?Look I don't love every 3M product but the ShowCar Wax works for the dark cars that I use it for.Is there something better hell yes but when I use this product I get some good results.Does P21S out sell 3m?I dont think I was out of the mainstream just voicing my opinion REMEMBER its just auto wax!
 
Does it give you 6-8 weeks?
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I regularly get 2 months durability (or slightly more) out of my P21S applications. There are more durable waxes but this wax is more durable than many and perhaps above average. It's no Collinite but for a carnauba its very good.
 
edschwab1 said:
Is this [change] to meet the new regulations?



Eric
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I imagine so. Given the change I'm gonna generally hold off on saying how great the 3M stuff is/was, but just FWIW/everyone-has-an-opinion I liked the older version of 3M a *lot* better than P21S. The 3M was more durable, stayed slicker and cleaner, and had better depth on silver (especially when applied by Cyclo). The P21s was slightly more reflective, but neither my wife or I liked it very much overall. I bought the P21s as an experiment after hearing so many positive reviews, but I'll stick with my other LSPs.



Heh heh, I guess I should put my flamesuit on saying stuff like that about P21S, but everyone has their favorites/not. It's really not like anything is "best" across the board and I didn't mean to turn this into a P21S-bash.



Too bad they had to change the 3M...this regulatory stuff is why I've stocked up on the current versions of Meg's #16 and Collinite 476S (hint hint).
 
I don't find P21S to be a dust attractor at all, in fact just the opposite. I Qd with either Sonus, Pinnacle, or EI Clear Pearl once a week and the surface stays spotless. I get the same result when I don't QD at all.



I have been trying 3M for ten years now and I have just never liked it since P21S came out. I like it and Pinnacle Paste Glaz a lot better on silver and gold cars.
 
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Is this [change] to meet the new regulations? EOQ



Would someone care to elaborate on what the regulations entail and the repercussions to detailing the ‘New Regulations’ will have?
 
Quote: Would someone care to elaborate on what the regulations entail and the repercussions to detailing the ‘New Regulations’ will have? [/QUOTE]



Mr. Chemist talks a bit about this in this thread:



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I find it somewhat discouraging that many people base their opinions of a wax or sealant on what GuruReports has done.



Please remember, everyone has a different opinion on what looks best for their particular cars. Just because I put one product on my car and think it looks spectacular doesn't necessarily mean that it meets the expectations of someone else. We all have different perceptions of how our cars should look, and we should respect other opinions at the same time.



When you get right down to it, car wax is car wax. It's simply a formulation in a container that gives us joy in taking car of our cars. As detailers on this board, we obviously know our "stuff" and do what we do to the highest degree of perfection. Whether you choose P21S, Pinnacle, Meguiar's or even Turtle Wax doesn't matter. Simply maintain your vehicle to your own standards and choose a product that you like best. If you like what you've done, show it to us and tell us your procedure. There is nothing I love more than sharing successful detailing stories. Resorting to arguments on insignificant details of a particular product is pointless. One of the hallmarks of this board and the reason I always come back here is that everyone acts in a knowledgable and professional manner.
 
I used 3M Perfect IT Show Car Paste for a while and really like the appearance, clear and wet looking. I just could never get more than 5-6 weeks of durability out of it and I get double out of most others. It is a pretty good product to use on a concours level show car because it doesn't seem to affect the color the paint by deepening it, the paint just looks wetter. I just can't see using it on a daily driver unless you like waxing once a month.



It is at least worth trying and I've seen it at Pep Boys for about $10.
 
I find it somewhat discouraging that many people base their opinions of a wax or sealant on what GuruReports has done.
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For myself I would say that Guru Reports has credibility. I know people who worked on the report and they worked very hard to get objective results based only on performance. I know Steve to be an honest person as well. And to my knowledge this is the only independent wax test done in a manner that tests real world conditions over time.



So yes for me Guru provides some useful data points. I think most people find their top two choices P21S and Zaino to be extremely fine waxes as well. They certainly are in my experience.
 
SilverLexus said:
For myself I would say that Guru Reports has credibility.
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I was in no way trying to imply that Guru Reports lacked credibility. The point I was trying to get across is that just because they say one brand of wax or sealant is the best doesn't necessarily mean it IS the best. We all have different opinions on what shine looks the best or what level of gloss or "wetness" we would like on our cars.



I would agree that P21S is a fine wax, however most people deal with different envioronmental situations that permit whether it would be practical enough to put it on their cars. Seeing that you have the privelege of living in a warmer climate, your experience with using such a wax would differ from mine. I live in Philadelphia where using such a wax during the upcoming months would not be reasonable as I look for protection from the elements during the fall/winter season. However, I could see using this product during the warmer months as I am one who enjoys frequently waxing my car.



Guru Reports is an informative source that I highly respect, but just because they say "Product X" is their top choice doesn't necessarily mean it is the "end-all-be-all". We all have different opinions and objectives when it comes to maintaining our vehicles.
 
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