303 Protectant on leather Seats?

dan46n2 said:
You must be one of the "leather pros" on here right? Can you back up your claim of Leatherique causing delamination issues and ruining the leather? Just to add to this, I have been using it for years on my Corvette seats and it is the only thing I have found that keeps them soft and prevents damage to them from wear and drying out. Before I started using Leatherique my seats would wear at the bolsters and I used just about every leather product out there and ended up replacing my seats. With the new seats they also started to wear at the bolsters then I started using Leatherique, it made them softer and more supple and the bolsters have almost no more wear on them years later and the leather is not dried out, it looks brand new. I'm tired of people claiming products will cause harm without any proof of what they are saying.
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No, I don't have proof that it would cause delamination issues. Honestly, I see delamination occuring more in furniture leather than auto leather, but that is another story. I am probably be a little harsh on Leatherique, but I said probably. I guess I should have said could.



I am glad that you are having good results with Leatherique. To your last statement, I am tired of people claiming products won't cause harm without any proof. More to the point, does Leathique have any proof that their Rejuvinator penetrates the top coat of leather and then lifts all the grime and dirt out of the leather? What people may be experiencing is that the oil gets into the grain of the leather and helps bring up the dirt and grime. I achieve the same thing with a Scotch Brite pad. For some people who have worn away most of the top coat, then the oil will penetrate into the leather. Will it make the leather more pliable? Probably, but you still have the issue of no coating on the leather.



As for being a leather pro, I think I have some pretty good knowledge of leather. I am guessing one of the other leather pros you are referencing is JudyB. I think she has a pretty good knowledge of leather as well. I am not sure if she has said anything about Woolite. I may have said something in the past about not using it, but it was probably more in reference to using Joy dishwashing liquid instead. I have been meaning to try Woolite out, but I think Joy is less expensive and a known commodity. This is what Eagle Ottawa used in the past. Speaking of Eagle, here is their recommendation Eagle Ottawa Leather Company :Leather Care
 
Quality Leather said:
No, I don't have proof that it would cause delamination issues. Honestly, I see delamination occuring more in furniture leather than auto leather, but that is another story. I am probably be a little harsh on Leatherique, but I said probably. I guess I should have said could.



I am glad that you are having good results with Leatherique. To your last statement, I am tired of people claiming products won't cause harm without any proof. More to the point, does Leathique have any proof that their Rejuvinator penetrates the top coat of leather and then lifts all the grime and dirt out of the leather? What people may be experiencing is that the oil gets into the grain of the leather and helps bring up the dirt and grime. I achieve the same thing with a Scotch Brite pad. For some people who have worn away most of the top coat, then the oil will penetrate into the leather. Will it make the leather more pliable? Probably, but you still have the issue of no coating on the leather.



As for being a leather pro, I think I have some pretty good knowledge of leather. I am guessing one of the other leather pros you are referencing is JudyB. I think she has a pretty good knowledge of leather as well. I am not sure if she has said anything about Woolite. I may have said something in the past about not using it, but it was probably more in reference to using Joy dishwashing liquid instead. I have been meaning to try Woolite out, but I think Joy is less expensive and a known commodity. This is what Eagle Ottawa used in the past. Speaking of Eagle, here is their recommendation Eagle Ottawa Leather Company :Leather Care
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You say Leatherique doesn't have proof that the oil penetrates more than the top coat. Have you seen the before and after of using Leatherique on dry leather, how can you say it is not penetrating? For anyone else just search for before and afters of using Leatherique on really bad old leather and I think that will put an end to this discussion.
 
Byk said:
For anyone interested about before and after for Leatherique, these are what I found here:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/101030-product-review-leatherique-leather-system.html



http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/110991-reviewed-leatherique-kit.html
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Those are some pretty good examples, I think the ones that impress me the most are the leather seats that look so bad I would have tossed them in the garbage, then after Leatherique they look amazing compared to the before shot, it's like you put them in a time machine and went back 20 years.
 
The 1994 Trans Am 25th Anniversary White Seats are most impressive - had to be treated twice. I wonder if those are coated leather - seems like it though.
 
I liked the very last pic of those black seats, it looks like the leather puffed up and filled in a lot of the cracks in the leather. It looks like it took off about 5 years of wear on them.
 
I am not convinced by looking at the pics. I could have cleaned the Trans Am seats with a Scotch Brite pad and probably achieved the same results. The bolster on that Trans Am needs to be refinished and no amount of oil or anything else will help it short of recoating it.
 
Quality Leather said:
I am not convinced by looking at the pics. I could have cleaned the Trans Am seats with a Scotch Brite pad and probably achieved the same results. The bolster on that Trans Am needs to be refinished and no amount of oil or anything else will help it short of recoating it.
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Could you also clean the black seats in that last pic and fill in the cracks in the leather :sign
 
The only thing those pictures prove is how well Leatherique can clean those white seats. All the other cars are high end care which probably have uncoated leather were a oil based conditioner works well. So no he's not "owned"
 
wytstang said:
The only thing those pictures prove is how well Leatherique can clean those white seats. All the other cars are high end care which probably have uncoated leather were a oil based conditioner works well. So no he's not "owned"
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The last pic looks like finished leather so yes he is :sign
 
dan46n2 said:
Could you also clean the black seats in that last pic and fill in the cracks in the leather :sign
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I am not sure what you are talking about. If it is the second link with the Mustang, then I don't see much cracking. In general, then yes I could not only clean the seats but refinish them. What is funny is that even Leatherique wouldn't be so brazen as to say that their product would fill in cracks.
 
Quality Leather said:
I am not sure what you are talking about. If it is the second link with the Mustang, then I don't see much cracking. In general, then yes I could not only clean the seats but refinish them. What is funny is that even Leatherique wouldn't be so brazen as to say that their product would fill in cracks.
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What happens is the dried out leather absorbs the oils and nutrients from the Rejuvinator Oil and becomes more hydrated, fuller, and softer, which decreases the appearance of the cracks and yes to some extent it will fill in the gap because the leather on either side of the crack inches forward toward the crack as it becomes replenished with the oils/nutrients. I don't know exactly what claims Leatherique makes but the proof is in the pics, there are even more dramatic pics on their own forum and other leather forums. You are looking at the wrong pics BTW, its the last set in the first link, black seats, not sure what car it is but its not a Mustang.
 
I'm not going to try to prove that a product works which is known to work especially when the internet is full of DIY pics. To anyone reading this post I recommend to do your own research and look up posts of people that have actually used the product with pics of the end result. I've used this product myself and it works, it can literally save you thousands of dollars if you can save your leather seats without replacing them. The people that say it doesn't work don't even know what order you use the products in or how they work and have claimed they can damage your leather without any proof at all. The only advice I have is the car seats needs to be warm so the leather can absorb, park it out in the sun with garbage bags over the seats for an entire day, that's the key the oil needs to soak in the leather. IMO this debate is over with the pics posted and many, many more out there. Good luck, I hope my posts have been informative!
 
The next time I see someone throw the :sign sign at another member as an insult, there will be a timeout involved. Knock it off.



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Some leather cleaners have UV protection in them, so it really is up to you. I've done both, I've used just the leather cleaner/conditioner (megs leather cleaner) and a cleaner then topped with 303. The results seem to be the same. From a practicality point of view, I tend to clean the leather before I clean the vinyl dash etc... so some 303 might get on the seats as I am going around the vinyl/plastic stuff around the dash and front of the car.
 
And yeah the :sign sign sort of reminds me of that guy phil, from the production products videos. We don't want to be like THAT guy...
 
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