2019 Health & Fitness Thread

My breakfast is usually sugar-rich, which isn`t good. If I`m going keto it`s easier to skip breakfast, save the calories, and avoid the sugar I usually have in the morning. It really makes going keto that much easier.
Some people are very sugar/high GI carb-sensitive, my wife sure is. I gather it`s not quite as easy as "just don`t eat that stuff", like...almost a form of addiction/withdrawal or somesuch.

A lot of the fasting/etc. discussion seems to revolve around limiting caloric intake...I wonder what people really need, and how one would calc that? I went by trial/error over an extended period but never got really precise about it. Like..when I`d notice a little less definition I`d just cut out half a slice of bread/day, or replace it with some nuts, until back to normal. When something was gonna interfere with my exercise/activity (e.g., surgical recovery) I`d try to ballpark how many calories to cut but I`d still basically eat the same stuff, just a less of it.

The formula I have, which I haven`t run on myself for ages (don`t even keep track of calories at all these days) is:

Men:

Desired Weight (lbs.) * 13.8 plus
Height (inches) * 5 plus
67 = Subtotal1

Less:

Age (years) * 6.8
= Subtotal2

Subtotal2 * 1.1 = Avg. Required Daily Calories

Women:

Desired Weight (lbs.) * 19.6 plus
Height (inches) * 1.8 plus
655 = Subtotal1

Less:

Age (years) * 4.7
= Subtotal2

Subtotal2 * 1.1 = Avg. Required Daily Calories

I have zero recollection where I got that or how they came up with it. It`s result was too low for me but maybe that`s either my activity level/metabolism or the nature of the calories. At least it was higher/closer than some numbers that get tossed about..."1800 cal/day" seems to come up now and then, but sheesh..that`s not much IMO; I`d be cold/hungry/weak/miserable with so few.
 
I sorta tried the IF thing, but it just doesn’t work for me. For one, I’m hungry but two I’m a chef and I’m always eating a small bite of stuff here and there to taste, so it just really wouldn’t work.

Keto turns me into a machine, though. I sleep better, my stomach is calmer, less gas, I eat on a schedule and rarely get really hunger, I’m more sharp mentally, and I have a much more consistent sleep and wake cycle.

Im running on 1800 calories a day right now, and hunger isn’t an issue.

In a span of about 4 days, I lost 3/4’s of an inch on my waist with no change in weight. Can’t even explain that one. I was down 22lbs from November 6th up until a day or two before Christmas. Relaxed and ate what I wanted over the holiday break. This put on a couple lbs, glycogen and water presumably. I got back on the keto on the 28th, as of last week I was back to pre holiday weight. I’ve now lost 4.5” on my weight in just over two months. Hoping to lose 3 more by July.
 
To be fair I haven`t started exercising in the morning yet, so maybe IF isn`t going to be as easy for me once I start exercising. But yesterday I had more energy, was in a better mood, and only got a little hungry once, which was right before lunch. Actually at dinner I was eating a salad and decided to stop eating in the middle of it because I realized I wasn`t even hungry.

I think there absolutely is an addiction to sugar. I often will crave something sweet, especially chocolate. I couldn`t drink coffee that wasn`t loaded with sugar and cream, but yesterday I had black coffee and didn`t think it was bad at all. You just have to break the habit I think.
 
jrock645- The Keto diet has sure worked well for you, that increased metal focus really gets my attention too.

And I`d forgotten that you`re a chef...yeah, all that tasting is pretty much mandatory huh?

That`s interesting that you can do OK on ~1800 cal/day, shows how different people can be.

I *really* like that you lost size (presumably fat) off your waist while not losing weight. (You must be gaining muscle at the same time you`re losing fat, unless there was some weird dehydration issue that`s sorting itself out and it doesn`t sound like that.) I simply couldn`t care less what I (or anybody else) weigh as long as it`s the right kind of weight it`s all good IMO; it`s the bad kind of weight (i.e., bodyfat) that`s not so swell.

Losing that much off your waist is gonna mean some changes in your wardrobe, huh?
 
someidiot- I always find it interesting how different people are indeed different with regard to some stuff, including addictions. Definitely not the same for everybody even with regard to stuff that "everybody knows is addictive to everyone".

I like a fair bit of cream in my coffee, and/but I don`t mind as I see no downside (doesn`t mess with my LDL/TG or anything like that).

Related topic- switching from reduced fat/skim milk to whole milk has been shown to result in a decrease in bodyfat, IIRC it was pretty uniform across the board, everybody in the studies lost fat with the switch. I made that switch and while I dunno if it triggered a reduction it sure didn`t result in any more of it and whole milk is a lot more palatable in my post-workout drink.

Another topic related to Milk- why is it that whole milk is never the variety on sale?!? Since it goes bad fastest I`d think it`d be the one for a quick turnover, but it`s always the reduced fat/skim that`s marked down.

Oh, and regarding salads- I like a plain tossed salad (usually no dressing), but I haven`t had one in ages because as best I can tell (more accurately, as my wife pointed out :o ) there`s no real nutritional value in it. So OK, I`ll have other veggies instead, usually cruciferous ones like broccoli/cauliflower. I suppose that if eating a salad means not eating worse stuff then that has its points though and it`s probably good for staying hydrated too.
 
Those formulas I posted for daily calories seem suspect to me if only because of the built-in adjustments related to age. Unreliable assumptions there that throw the whole calc into doubt since a person`s basal metabolic rate is determined by stuff *other than age*. But hey, they`re (supposedly) relatively in the ballpark for many people.
 
jrock645- The Keto diet has sure worked well for you, that increased metal focus really gets my attention too.

And I`d forgotten that you`re a chef...yeah, all that tasting is pretty much mandatory huh?

That`s interesting that you can do OK on ~1800 cal/day, shows how different people can be.

I *really* like that you lost size (presumably fat) off your waist while not losing weight. (You must be gaining muscle at the same time you`re losing fat, unless there was some weird dehydration issue that`s sorting itself out and it doesn`t sound like that.) I simply couldn`t care less what I (or anybody else) weigh as long as it`s the right kind of weight it`s all good IMO; it`s the bad kind of weight (i.e., bodyfat) that`s not so swell.

Losing that much off your waist is gonna mean some changes in your wardrobe, huh?

My waist is down to the normal range for me at this point. A touch smaller than usual maybe but not by too much. Pants had gotten tight and uncomfortable, now they’re a bit loose. Curious what losing another 3 inches is gonna do. Might need new pants.

Waiting until May or June to get my tux altered for the wedding.
 
jrock645- If you do bring it down another 3" I`d expect all new pants, recutting your current ones could cost at least as much. Might be worth it for suits/etc. though if you have somebody who`s good enough to take out that much.

The whole "replace the clothes" thing helps keep me motivated to stay in shape, that`d be simply unthinkable. It was bad enough when I outgrew my dress shirts when I (finally :o ) started working my Traps (I`ve kept the too-small ones just in case, they might fit me again if I live to a really old age). And it`s another reason why I don`t mind that I can`t get significantly bigger (i.e., "bigger" in a good way).
 
I tweaked my positioning for Seated Calf Raises with rather dramatic results.

Not having a Seated Calf Raise machine, I have to improvise with a barbell across my thighs (with padding/spotter stands/etc.). Really suboptimal, but workable. I changed how the bench is set up so that I`m sitting more upright and getting a better stretch at the start position, and !oh man! did it make a diff! After doing my Standing Calf Raises, I did one set of only 16 reps instead of the usual 20-24, and with 40lbs. less on the bar than usual too = four days later my calves are still too sore to do cardio. Seems like I`m onto something :D
 
Having a super hard time getting back on track after the holidays. Such is life. May go today. See how field service pans out, May have to go cover jobs


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Both.

Been having to go into work earlier and be there at 6. I’m not a morning person so waking up at 4 and being at the gym by 4:30 isn’t gonna happen.

Adverse of that is we just cut all the hourly hands OT so now that means the salary guys have to stay later and unload trucks.

Saying that I just would rather stay home at night and see my family than go to the gym for a little over and hr and miss all that time they are awake.


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mineriger- OK, understand completely..and I`m glad you`re prioritizing your family time.

Not knowing about the other members of your family, could there be something at the gym for them as well as for you?

While I`m *NOT* into CrossFit`s programs for adults, I do think that CrossFit Kids is a great thing and a good way to get youngsters into the idea that "being fit is a lifelong process".
 
Wife is 4 or 5 months Oregon, have 10 yr old, 8 yr old, and 19 month old. Wrestling is gym when I done go. Or when I come to run field service all day and night randomly.


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Minerigger- Sounds like you`re one busy guy these days! That sure doesn`t make it easier. I guess bodyweight stuff might be the answer, and that might be great for your two oldest. I gather many of today`s kids don`t do the kind of daily stuff that most everybody did fifty years ago (even scrawny non-athletic kids like me).
 
Had a rough weekend. Kinda got fooled in to thinking as long as I`m making ketones I must be losing fat. I avoided carbs for the most part (took the wife out for a date and we shared a dessert) but I had some fried chicken on Saturday.

Weighed myself at work today at 247. Down 5 pounds since last Tuesday, but the keto diet is known for a diuresis and losing water weight.

I go to Peloton tomorrow for a trial. I really think I`ll get one.
 
Apparently it has various effects on insulin production and such - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting-guide

For me it`s just an easy meal to skip. I don`t wake up hungry. My breakfast is usually sugar-rich, which isn`t good. If I`m going keto it`s easier to skip breakfast, save the calories, and avoid the sugar I usually have in the morning. It really makes going keto that much easier.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Note that at *some point* you`ll start to lose Type II Muscle Fibers if you don`t do resistance training, people are just designed that way. Then your metabolism/build/weight/BF%/etc. will change. No way around that, just how humans are.

Advice gratefully considered. Definitely good to keep in mind. If I haven`t mentioned, I`m of a much different, um, shape than the rest of my family. I`m very mindful that sooner or later things could shift. I`ve never heard about the loss of Type II fibers and it`s effect on the rest of body functions.

Hey, that`s great! Seems like it didn`t take all that long (well, easy for me to say).

Yeah, it seems that way to me too! Glad to be able to get serious about taking care of myself now that I`m functional again.

Oh man, I couldn`t watch the "W Presses". Stability Balls are great for some stuff, but I`d *NEVER* do any kind of Resistance Training on one. Ever. Wouldn`t even be in the room when somebody did it lest I`d have to assist when it went sideways. Craziest thing... Sorry, but I really do feel that way, so I`d *ABSOLUTELY* quit the "W Presses" on the Ball. If you benefit from that movement (I never did), I`d do them the way the Russians do, sitting on the floor with your legs spread in a "V" while paying a *LOT* of attention to your posture.

*Hangs head* - I should have paid more attention to other google results. So the "Shoulder w`s" I`m doing are basically laying with chest on the ball (like the bird dogs), then holding arms out like a W (think of it looking like a W that`s laying on the floor). Then, squeezing the muscle between my shoulder blades. As it`s been explained to me it`s kinda muscle memory training to promote good posture. (Fight the rolled forward shoulders)


Now that I`ve vented...the other stuff you`re doing on the Ball sounds great!


Ah, interesting that you stretch *beforehand*! No problems from that I gather?

Glad to hear the other stuff sounds good. :)

Good catch on the stretching beforehand. Yes, would make much more sense to stretch after. I`ve not been going for super deep stretches beforehand, so I`ve not run into any issues. I should make a habit of stretching after once things have gotten some use.


Do you think the morning roll-out could be further helped by tweaking something about your bed? I ask because I have a terrible time finding a decent mattress (let alone one that`ll stay that way) and finally found that just rolling up a towel to use as lumbar support solved *all* the related issues for me.

Definitely wouldn`t hurt. Our mattress is ancient, and has been on the to-do list for a while now...

... While I`m *NOT* into CrossFit`s programs for adults, I do think that CrossFit Kids is a great thing and a good way to get youngsters into the idea that "being fit is a lifelong process".

Why the bias against Adult CrossFit? Wasn`t planning on running out to do it as it doesn`t strike me that it would be "my jam", Just curious.
 
I had about enough working out on my weekend field job to suffice for a week lol. 26 straight getting my rear kicked on a drilling rig running an emergency system


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I`ve never heard about the loss of Type II fibers and it`s effect on the rest of body functions...

Recent strides in microbiology/etc. have rewritten the rules for the Healthy Aging stuff, turns out that Resistance Training ("RT") isn`t just "for cosmetics, looking all muscular" after all. Old thinking = "muscles are like a new paintjob on a wearing-out car"; new thinking = "muscles keep that car working right in ways that nothing else can". TypeI (endurance) fibers stay constant through a lifetime but TypeII ones start to die off as early as one`s 20s unless you exercise `em right with RT.

And on the "metabolic rate"/etc., a study at Tufts (the researchers were Rosen and Evans IIRC, but it`s been a while..) showed that the reason for metabolic slowdown is the loss of those TypeII muscle fibers, which can only be maintained by RT. It`s just part of the "humans are programmed to start dying after reproducing", gotta trick the body into thinking you`re still viable and the way to do that is to maintain muscularity. All win IMO- you look good, your body works well.
.. the "Shoulder w`s" I`m doing are basically laying with chest on the ball (like the bird dogs), then holding arms out like a W (think of it looking like a W that`s laying on the floor). Then, squeezing the muscle between my shoulder blades. As it`s been explained to me it`s kinda muscle memory training to promote good posture. (Fight the rolled forward shoulders)
Ah, OK...now I follow! Never mind :o Sorry, I just GO OFF when people do RT on an exercise ball, utterly stupid IMO, great way to injure yourself without any chance of a benefit if it doesn`t go sideways since the "transfer related to balance" doesn`t really happen with regard to IRL stuff.

One thing though- when anything`s explained to you (including anything I say), make sure it`s right before you accept it. There`s just *SO* much misinformation out there, [freakin`] incredible. And a lot of it gets perpetuated by people who oughta know better, like Therapists/Trainers/MDs/etc. many of whom haven`t cracked a Med. Journal since forever let alone kept up with all the recent stuff. It can be surprising how what doesn`t sound right can *be* right after all, and/but what sounds perfectly sensible can be utterly wrong.

My wife is *BIG* on the whole shoulders/head aspect of posture (and I need to get better about it :o ). Not sure what all she`s doing these days, but she does it every morning and she sure did a *lot* of research before figuring out what "it" oughta be. FWIW, she`s not doing any of that on the exercise balls, which she uses for other stuff primarily related to her (fused-spine) back.

Good catch on the stretching beforehand. Yes, would make much more sense to stretch after. I`ve not been going for super deep stretches beforehand, so I`ve not run into any issues. I should make a habit of stretching after once things have gotten some use.
There you go :D For warming up, I just do a light version of whatever I`m gonna do. Stretching cold bodyparts is asking for trouble, wait until they`re warmed up to the "loose and limber" point whatever that is for you, generally after exercise not before.

Our mattress is ancient, and has been on the to-do list for a while now...

Buying a new mattress can be incredibly frustrating! Our current one was great...for about a six months. Fortunately the rolled-towel works for me and she`s somehow OK with most any mattress (go figure).

Why the bias against Adult CrossFit? Wasn`t planning on running out to do it as it doesn`t strike me that it would be "my jam", Just curious.
Short version (and hey..if it works for somebody that`s great) : Too endurance-centric with too much loose, fast, ballistic stuff = too hard on the body long-term, too hard to recover from (recovery = overcompensation = the whole point of exercise), and too likely to cause injury while leaving some things unchallenged.

I hate to criticize CF because I like the "just do it as hard as you can" aspect of it, and again, if something works for somebody I`m all for it. But I don`t see how anybody could keep CF up forever without any injuries. I do mean *forever* too, right up into old age with no injuries. Some CF`ers have suffered pretty serious problems, and/but it`s not all that hard to avoid such trouble with sensible conventional training (which takes a lot less time too). Just because something`s hard to do/impressive to witness, that doesn`t mean it`s a good idea. As the saying goes, "don`t confuse motion with progress" ;)

But for *kids*, I think it oughta be great. Seems like basically a more regimented version of what most kids did when I was growing up, back when nobody just sat around unless studying. Kids need to learn coordination and "just how to be active" as young as possible to imprint such stuff into a lifelong commitment to fitness.
 
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