2017 Health and Fitness Thread

Poorboy- Actually, I`m great to go out to dinner with, just a bit limiting with regard to what *kind* of restaurant I go to. When I do eat dinner out I go top-shelf, usually with a good bottle of champagne. Just no Italian/Mexican/etc. fare. Most people don`t mind a great steak/seafood place :D

Poorboy- Going off-menu works OK once the place knows ya and the server knows there will be, uhm...adequate compensation if all goes well (I`m one extremely generous tipper when satisfied and quite popular with good servers in general).

Ronkh- Heh heh, I do wish people would quit saying that sort of thing though, reinforces the whole "tasty isn`t healthy/healthy isn`t tasty" thing. I mean...there`s just *SO* broad a variety of foods out there that are healthy!

(Sure that unhealthy stuff can taste great too, but then so IMO does a Camel nonfilter...priorities again.)
 
Poorboy- Actually, I`m great to go out to dinner with, just a bit limiting with regard to what *kind* of restaurant I go to. When I do eat dinner out I go top-shelf, usually with a good bottle of champagne. Just no Italian/Mexican/etc. fare. Most people don`t mind a great steak/seafood place :D

Poorboy- Going off-menu works OK once the place knows ya and the server knows there will be, uhm...adequate compensation if all goes well (I`m one extremely generous tipper when satisfied and quite popular with good servers in general).

no :meatball :(:passout:

How will a wall be built without supporting Mexican restaurants :dunno:


Yes, Steak and seafood are :bigups:love::dance1

If you are a regular and you can get an empathetic waiter/ waitress then all is good :cheers: if not :jawdrop::yikes::eek::burn:
 
Poorboy- Actually, I`m great to go out to dinner with, just a bit limiting with regard to what *kind* of restaurant I go to. When I do eat dinner out I go top-shelf, usually with a good bottle of champagne. Just no Italian/Mexican/etc. fare. Most people don`t mind a great steak/seafood place :D

Poorboy- Going off-menu works OK once the place knows ya and the server knows there will be, uhm...adequate compensation if all goes well (I`m one extremely generous tipper when satisfied and quite popular with good servers in general).

Ronkh- Heh heh, I do wish people would quit saying that sort of thing though, reinforces the whole "tasty isn`t healthy/healthy isn`t tasty" thing. I mean...there`s just *SO* broad a variety of foods out there that are healthy!

(Sure that unhealthy stuff can taste great too, but then so IMO does a Camel nonfilter...priorities again.)


No Italian, no Mexican ???? Jen`s Italian.......... So I gotta get rid of her ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
Yeah, it`s a huge PIA not liking all that stuff, wish it were different but that`s just how I`m wired :( There were times in my childhood when it meant I went hungry as I simply couldn`t force down the only fare that was provided. My aversion to cheese happened literally overnight...one day I liked it, the very next I couldn`t stand *any* kind of it...weird, huh? I still remember how good it *used* to taste to me too!

No Italian, no Mexican ???? Jen`s Italian.......... So I gotta get rid of her ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Heh heh, as we`re talking about, uhm...eating out... there`s probably some really good off-color comeback to that ;)

Poorboy said:
If you are a regular and you can get an empathetic waiter/ waitress then all is good :cheers: if not :jawdrop::yikes::eek::burn:
When it`s someplace where I`m not a regular, I make sure to strongly hint as to the monetary benefits of keeping me happy ;)
Heh heh, IME the prospect of a lavish tip can work wonders with regard to eliciting empathy as to my preferences :D
 
Yeah, it`s a huge PIA not liking all that stuff, wish it were different but that`s just how I`m wired :( There were times in my childhood when it meant I went hungry as I simply couldn`t force down the only fare that was provided. My aversion to cheese happened literally overnight...one day I liked it, the very next I couldn`t stand *any* kind of it...weird, huh? I still remember how good it *used* to taste to me too!

I didn`t eat dairy products for almost 20 years, then tried a cheese steak and it was as good as the memory and I`ve added it a few times a year as well as pizza ... no milk and butter mostly for cooking :(

I have missed many a meal through early life for the the same reason as you :( Much more flexible these day .. ok that depends if there`s a Chinese buffet involved :D




When it`s someplace where I`m not a regular, I make sure to strongly hint as to the monetary benefits of keeping me happy ;)
Heh heh, IME the prospect of a lavish tip can work wonders with regard to eliciting empathy as to my preferences :D

Yes, most of the time it works , but if a place is really busy it`s not always guaranteed
 
I didn`t eat dairy products for almost 20 years, then tried a cheese steak and it was as good as the memory and I`ve added it a few times a year as well as pizza ... no milk and butter mostly for cooking :(

Why the No-Dairy, lactose intolerant or just a preference? FWIW, I switched from skim to whole milk in my Meal Replacement Shakes (don`t like the taste of plain milk) and promptly lost bodyfat.


.. if a place is really busy it`s not always guaranteed

Yeah, that`s when I try to exercise a little empathy of my own.
 
Poorboy- Huh, isn`t that something?!? Stayed that way too, huh?

I had a brief period where I seemed to be quite lactose intolerant but it dialed itself back to where I`m OK as long as I don`t overdo my (mixed-with-milk) Meal Replacement Powder shakes (especially the whey protein ones) so I can no longer enjoy oversized ones which I didn`r really need anyhow. Which brings up...

WHY is the focus on all-protein shake powders? What kid of [individual] consumes pure protein with zero carbs/fat and expects it to be optimally beneficial?!? (OK, I suppose maybe someone on a ketogenic diet...but no thanks.) Why can`t I find (decent tasting) MRPs with a good protein/carb/fat ratio, let alone ones that aren`t packed full of cheap sugary carbs like maltodextrin? Extend rant to include the zillion-gram protein dose size they always advocate...what, you`re bigger than Andre the Giant, or the one guy in a million who can make use of more than 20-some grams of protein per meal? I don`t think so...show me one study that says it`s worthwhile.

Sigh...much as I love the MRP shakes I simply do better if I eat real food, despite all the talk about "whey protein immediately after exercise".
 
Poorboy- Huh, isn`t that something?!? Stayed that way too, huh?

I had a brief period where I seemed to be quite lactose intolerant but it dialed itself back to where I`m OK as long as I don`t overdo my (mixed-with-milk) Meal Replacement Powder shakes (especially the whey protein ones) so I can no longer enjoy oversized ones which I didn`r really need anyhow. Which brings up...

WHY is the focus on all-protein shake powders? What kid of [individual] consumes pure protein with zero carbs/fat and expects it to be optimally beneficial?!? (OK, I suppose maybe someone on a ketogenic diet...but no thanks.) Why can`t I find (decent tasting) MRPs with a good protein/carb/fat ratio, let alone ones that aren`t packed full of cheap sugary carbs like maltodextrin? Extend rant to include the zillion-gram protein dose size they always advocate...what, you`re bigger than Andre the Giant, or the one guy in a million who can make use of more than 20-some grams of protein per meal? I don`t think so...show me one study that says it`s worthwhile.

Sigh...much as I love the MRP shakes I simply do better if I eat real food, despite all the talk about "whey protein immediately after exercise".


Even in keto you wanna avoid large servings of protein, particularly fast digesting ones like whey because it will provoke an insulin response.

And I`m with ya on eating actual foods. The shakes are a nice convenience option on the move but real food is always better. And I do best when I`m packing in the veggies, which is why I eat a lot of raw spinach right out of the bag.
 
jrock645- Spinach is good for ya, Accumulatorette has it all the time... I can`t stand the taste of the stuff but wish I could.
 
jrock645- Spinach is good for ya, Accumulatorette has it all the time... I can`t stand the taste of the stuff but wish I could.

I eat it because it`s quick and easy and doesn`t require me to chop it or cook it. Otherwise, I won`t eat veggies if hey require effort. All about finding what works for you.
 
I eat it because it`s quick and easy and doesn`t require me to chop it or cook it. Otherwise, I won`t eat veggies if hey require effort....

Yeah, I hear you there...I actually upgraded my (raw) veggies to something better than a tossed salad after tiring of the effort in making up the latter. My cooked veggies are easy enough, frozen stir-fry stuff (and Accumulatorette often takes care of that anyhow).

All about finding what works for you.

!!ABSOLUTELY!! People get on some unsustainable [pick-your-weird] diet and it never works out long-term.
 
Most underrated diet plan ever: The Flu. Down about 8 pounds in the last 5 days. Keep this up and I`ll be at my goal weight in no time
 
Was making some good progress and feeling good up until this past couple weeks. The week before last I had commitments after work and never found time, and then last week I dealt with the flu. Looking forward to hopefully getting back going tomorrow night, although after this past week and missing two, it`s probably gonna be a rough workout lol
 
Thought I may as well jump in on this- saw the first posts about 5x5 strong lifts and wanted to ask-
How many exercises are you doing in one session?

I`m doing basically 3 sets of 6-7 reps on 2 exercises- usually bench and deadlifts.

Skinny ``````` here- an extreme ectomorph. But doing heavy lifts of major muscles groups and getting my protein up has helped me gain 10 pounds. Just trying to get over the next thump.
 
House of Wax- Aw gee, hope you`re back to normal soon. Having all that time off might be educational- see which lifts do *NOT* suffer from all the downtime. I never realized how overtrained I was until circumstances make me cut back drastically.

Remember that you`re losing a lot of water while sick, so do the "deliberate hydration" thing.

craigdt- I too am (was?) an extreme ectomorph/hardgainer; at age 25 I weighed 125 despite having lifted for a good while, not much for a guy who`s 5`9". (FWIW, at age 57 I`m at least as lean but weigh ~170.)

The point of all that was to show that you and I aren`t all *that* disimilar in some regards.

For *decades* I followed the Conventional Wisdom with regard to what I should do...from exercises to reps to frequency. I did OK but could`ve done better.

These days I do *MUCH* less per session. Rather than the routines that do indeed make perfect (theoretical) sense, I do much better by doing less each time and emphasizing recovery. I focus on intensity and feeling the muscles work. I hit every muscle to failure, even the "ones that don`t matter".

I`m now 100% satisfied with my results.

NOTE: maybe my age factors in a lot, IMO it definitely does regarding recovery but probably does *not* regarding sufficient stimuli for improvement.

Sets- after warming up (briefly) I *NEVER* do more than one set of any given exercise (to absolute failure). NEVER. Best single change I`ve ever made though it took a little while before I was able to apply myself properly and get that one set to do the job. Heh heh, one all-out set of squats/deads/etc. will leave most anybody collapsed on the floor and will be plenty to stimulate adaptation (ditto for cardio sessions, but that`s another topic).

Reps- experiment to find what works for *you*, might be surprising and very different from "what everybody knows". Momentum is generally not beneficial so I do every rep rather slowly under complete control with a lot of thought regarding what that muscle actually *does*.

Exercises- Similarly, I try to dial it back so I don`t do any duplicates. Don`t ignore one aspect (e.g., stretch/contraction) or one angle/area (e.g., the back is *complicated*, the triceps less so, calves are pretty simple). Get the job done with no "excess". Again, don`t worry if what works for you isn`t what "everybody says you gotta do".

E.g., Deads and presses are great for a lot of things, but they leave a *LOT* of the body unworked and are both subject to that "gravity pulls straight down in a linear manner" thing.

Recovery- You might need a lot longer than you`d expect. E.g., two days for the stimulus to take hold, some time for the inflamation/etc. to die back, some more time for overcompensation...it can take a while. For me, each bodypart rests 10-12 days between workouts and I don`t lose any strength if I go two weeks. Yeah, ectomorphs can require extended recovery periods too.

Eh, guys often don`t want to "cut back" for silly reasons like "I`ll lose poundage on my bench!" but then those same guys aren`t always 100% happy with their pecs ;)
 
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