2011 Audi R8 V10 Coupe Sepang Blue Correction by Richie's Custom Detailing Central FL

Auto Concierge said:
If you post a picture, of a nice car and products are not chronicled it has to be the following.....



.Ego

.The car was easy

.Depriving others of the "Secrets"





Did a search on myself and could not find a post of me asking someone what they used, wonder why this is??. It is because I read threads, research threads, try things in my shop on my truck to see what combo's might work etc......



Now if I post for ego, the lack of comments should have me upset................... and I am not due to the fact that I DO give tips and help others out of the limelight, asking nothing in return and as a matter of fact when was the last time someone reached out to me and gave me something with nothing in return??.



I can think of no business where the competition calls and says "This is how you can be better than me"............... if someone does not take a certain pic or list a specific product or step it should go to reason that there is a reason that factoid was omitted.



The detailing trade is full of 50% er's and copy cats who will steal pics, web content, and in my case my good name. The best is when someone will just go to the "How did you do it" card without a mention of the hard work and skill that went into the job which attracted that person to think "Gee this car is dialed in, bet they know something about getting it done properly" .



I am older, less patient now a days with the point & click society that wants instant everything, what happened to quality being in style, and having your own individual way of doing things?. There is only so many ways somebody can correct a car frankly but the backlash against myself and others(We all know the list, including Jeff @ Immaculate who is a marked man now that he works with me often ).



The "Give it to me" attitude is so old and I am over it, the forum is a FREE exchange of content between members and no one whoever that might be should be villified for listing or not listing what/how/why. How is this IF you do good to great work it should be noted, and if not so be it....................... if the content is more important than the pictures why do people post the pics then....................out.
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Seeing as how your private message box is full...



You completely missed the point of what I was saying. I simply asked WHAT PRODUCTS WERE USED. I did not ask for the process. As I stated already, its different between each detailer. I simply asked because it might be a product or pad that I have not used or heard of. Same thing as a PRODUCT REVIEW or RECOMMENDATION. Same way I found my way to Uber buffing pads was because I asked in one of Dave's (DSMS) threads and he said he loved the Uber pads and after testing them, so do I. Like you said, you do testing on your own vehicles, well so do I when I find new products.



If someone can post pictures on this site, then they can answer questions, if they do not, then too me their thread is nothing more than stroking their own ego. The rant inside your post had no bearing to the question I asked.
 
First and foremost, the car looks amazing. Great job!



But to the other issue at hand, my stand has always been you can tell anyone what products you have used, but unless they have the experience with that product, the end result will show. On a forum where so many others share their procedures/products openly (and they may leave out a few things) I can understand where some people like mike may feel insulted when another detailer wont share their procedure especially when he shares his (even though many may not care about his procedure.)



It is what it is though.
 
MachNU said:
Seeing as how your private message box is full...



You completely missed the point of what I was saying. I simply asked WHAT PRODUCTS WERE USED. I did not ask for the process. As I stated already, its different between each detailer. I simply asked because it might be a product or pad that I have not used or heard of. Same thing as a PRODUCT REVIEW or RECOMMENDATION. Same way I found my way to Uber buffing pads was because I asked in one of Dave's (DSMS) threads and he said he loved the Uber pads and after testing them, so do I. Like you said, you do testing on your own vehicles, well so do I when I find new products.



If someone can post pictures on this site, then they can answer questions, if they do not, then too me their thread is nothing more than stroking their own ego. The rant inside your post had no bearing to the question I asked.
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Look, not to have this go downhill once again. Here we go............................I post because I am a car guy who loves cars and likes to see them dialed in to the highest level, I used to post ALL steps and products used but unfortunately a**hat people copied me and tried to hurt my business so I had to not share anymore.....want to blame someone blame those guys.



If someone puts up a car you have the choice not to comment, not to even look at the write up and move on, the flipside of the coin is if someone for whatever reason does not list those steps it is their choice and that is that. I still stand by my "Rant" as you call it and call out the lazy guys who want something with little or no effort as that cannot be disputed.
 
Auto Concierge said:
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Look, not to have this go downhill once again. Here we go............................I post because I am a car guy who loves cars and likes to see them dialed in to the highest level, I used to post ALL steps and products used but unfortunately a**hat people copied me and tried to hurt my business so I had to not share anymore.....want to blame someone blame those guys.



If someone puts up a car you have the choice not to comment, not to even look at the write up and move on, the flipside of the coin is if someone for whatever reason does not list those steps it is their choice and that is that. I still stand by my "Rant" as you call it and call out the lazy guys who want something with little or no effort as that cannot be disputed.
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Thats right, you were the one I was talking about the other day with the "a**hat people copied me and tried to hurt my business so I had to not share anymore."



To your last part with the very flawed logic...I do not see how you use any product, because you have probably used A LOT of products over the years that you heard about from a PRODUCT REVIEW or RECOMMENDATION from someone you know. Kind of the same thing as a product list on a detail and seeing the before and after results with those products.



But anyways, I have already PM'ed someone about getting all the post that are not on topic deleted to not take away from this thread. Kind of surprised they have not been deleted already.
 
MachNU said:
Thats right, you were the one I was talking about the other day with the "a**hat people copied me and tried to hurt my business so I had to not share anymore."



To your last part with the very flawed logic...I do not see how you use any product, because you have probably used A LOT of products over the years that you heard about from a PRODUCT REVIEW or RECOMMENDATION from someone you know. Kind of the same thing as a product list on a detail and seeing the before and after results with those products.



But anyways, I have already PM'ed someone about getting all the post that are not on topic deleted to not take away from this thread. Kind of surprised they have not been deleted already.
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Ok............ one you misquoted me at the top line of your quote for some reason, where do I say the word YOU?, second it is flawed in your mind as I have used many products(Much more than you have probably) and I do hear about them from the sources you mentioned, but that is different because you mention specifically a review or person which is not a write up but I also do not ask why when that info is not contained in the post or write because that person would have posted this most likely.



As for deleting anything "Bing" and I are in complete agreement on this subject per the info you wanted was not contained therein, and he will not mind trust me.
 
Auto Concierge said:
Ok............ one you misquoted me at the top line of your quote for some reason, where do I say the word YOU?, second it is flawed in your mind as I have used many products(Much more than you have probably) and I do hear about them from the sources you mentioned, but that is different because you mention specifically a review or person which is not a write up but I also do not ask why when that info is not contained in the post or write because that person would have posted this most likely.



As for deleting anything "Bing" and I are in complete agreement on this subject per the info you wanted was not contained therein, and he will not mind trust me.
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I did not misquote you, you misread the line. I simply said YOU as in you were the one I talked to over a year ago about a product used in a thread of yours and you told me that exact same thing. I had forgotten who it was from here.



Second, my logic is not flawed in my mind. I have spoken with many detailers who agree the same way as I do. Even Smoknfastlegend said he agreed. I simply asked what PRODUCTS were used. If I said, process, I simply meant as in the process of products used. That might have been my fault with not wording it correctly. But if someone ask products and you cannot even say...hey I used 101, then 105, then 205 then PO85RD...then that is sad. No where in that does it take away from what you do. I just get to see... "Hey cool. So the same products I use, nothing new." Listing those products does not mean someone is going to steal your list and start copying your work. If you think that, you are very delusional. Listing a wax or sealant used is not going to hurt anything. New products come out all the time and you might have the first hand go with a product. So if asked, saying what was used does not make someone lazy. Going by your logic, asking questions is lazy. Must be a cold hard world for you.



Only reason I sent a PM to have replies deleted is because I did not want to take away from this thread. But with your asinine original response, I am not the type who is going to back down to the "super friends" ego you have.
 
MachNU said:
I did not misquote you, you misread the line. I simply said YOU as in you were the one I talked to over a year ago about a product used in a thread of yours and you told me that exact same thing. I had forgotten who it was from here.



Second, my logic is not flawed in my mind. I have spoken with many detailers who agree the same way as I do. Even Smoknfastlegend said he agreed. I simply asked what PRODUCTS were used. If I said, process, I simply meant as in the process of products used. That might have been my fault with not wording it correctly. But if someone ask products and you cannot even say...hey I used 101, then 105, then 205 then PO85RD...then that is sad. No where in that does it take away from what you do. I just get to see... "Hey cool. So the same products I use, nothing new." Listing those products does not mean someone is going to steal your list and start copying your work. If you think that, you are very delusional. Listing a wax or sealant used is not going to hurt anything. New products come out all the time and you might have the first hand go with a product. So if asked, saying what was used does not make someone lazy. Going by your logic, asking questions is lazy. Must be a cold hard world for you.



Only reason I sent a PM to have replies deleted is because I did not want to take away from this thread. But with your asinine original response, I am not the type who is going to back down to the "super friends" ego you have.
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"Superfriends ego" alright it is time to S2 about now, you know why you cannot relate to someone copying you is because it has not or will not happen. Has someone taken your biz name??...................yeah that's what I thought..................also have you had a local competitor tell YOUR client "I know what Bob knows and can do the car for half the price"......so your delusional statement me thinks is "all wet".



My point was and is, that when the information is not listed by someone and they do not reply or want too the prevailing thought is..."Oh look at the ego" when I have explained countless times(By your own admission btw in a PM) why I do this and Richie as he has also experienced this himself. Of course their is agreement by some as they want the info as well....................so they look at me as "Self centered" and a "Egomaniac"............really?? but I am a goodguy as long as I show you "How to do it"......since when do I owe it to anyone to tell them everything I know.



Notice you did not put Jimmy Lucci on blast......why is that?, you know I am right about this as most guys are lazy and you and others cannot be taken seriously if you deny this fact.
 
Auto Concierge said:
"Superfriends ego" alright it is time to S2 about now, you know why you cannot relate to someone copying you is because it has not or will not happen. Has someone taken your biz name??...................yeah that's what I thought..................also have you had a local competitor tell YOUR client "I know what Bob knows and can do the car for half the price"......so your delusional statement me thinks is "all wet".



My point was and is, that when the information is not listed by someone and they do not reply or want too the prevailing thought is..."Oh look at the ego" when I have explained countless times(By your own admission btw in a PM) why I do this and Richie as he has also experienced this himself. Of course their is agreement by some as they want the info as well....................so they look at me as "Self centered" and a "Egomaniac"............really?? but I am a goodguy as long as I show you "How to do it"......since when do I owe it to anyone to tell them everything I know.



Notice you did not put Jimmy Lucci on blast......why is that?, you know I am right about this as most guys are lazy and you and others cannot be taken seriously if you deny this fact.
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I will grant you, I do not know what it is for someone to steal a name or try and mimic my work.



Also, by my own admission, the PM was well over a year ago and I never could remember who it was that I PM'ed. The line you used, was the exact same line you gave me in the PM, that is why I remembered it was you. Now onto how you seem to not understand what I am saying. I have never NEVER asked "How did you do that?" That would be implying I am looking for a step by step instruction. Meaning I am trying to cut out on learning curve. But on the flip side too that...did no one ever teach you anything? Or did they just point, command and you ****ed up until you got it right? I highly doubt the ladder, so I assume you have had a lot of people either explain or show you stuff in your life. I know this, because your much older than me. Hell my father/family/friend have shown me many things growing up.



Also, in regards to Lucci, I did not put him on "blast" as you refer to it, because he did not give me some egotistical or asinine response originally. Plus you have actually been responding and responding with more than a few sentences...therefore enough information for a counter response.



Also, your " you know I am right about this as most guys are lazy and you and others cannot be taken seriously if you deny this fact." statement, is too vague. I really have no idea how to respond to this as I do not who or how its being directed. If its at me, I can promise you, I learned first hand. I literally watched someone do it, picked up the dewalt, mimicked it, learned the concept, improved upon what I saw and made it my own. Saw products many people were using, got it and learned it. That is how I find new products is seeing what a lot of people I assume are top of the class are using, get the products and mess with it. Probably the way a lot of us have found new stuff.
 
IMO I dont see anything wrong in asking what product were used. The way I see it is that there are a lot of professionals on this forum (Bob and Richie for ex.) and other professionals and enthusiasts look up to them and value their opinions on products and techniques. I can understand that some just like to show the cars in a proper state (as you mentioned Bob), without saying the products/process used and that is fine too. But if someone asks about a product used during the detail I dont see a reason why not to tell them. I feel as if were all here to help each other and so that we can all keep learning, and in detailing, you can never stop learning or learn "enough".
 
MachNU said:
I will grant you, I do not know what it is for someone to steal a name or try and mimic my work.



Also, by my own admission, the PM was well over a year ago and I never could remember who it was that I PM'ed. The line you used, was the exact same line you gave me in the PM, that is why I remembered it was you. Now onto how you seem to not understand what I am saying. I have never NEVER asked "How did you do that?" That would be implying I am looking for a step by step instruction. Meaning I am trying to cut out on learning curve. But on the flip side too that...did no one ever teach you anything? Or did they just point, command and you ****ed up until you got it right? I highly doubt the ladder, so I assume you have had a lot of people either explain or show you stuff in your life. I know this, because your much older than me. Hell my father/family/friend have shown me many things growing up.



Also, in regards to Lucci, I did not put him on "blast" as you refer to it, because he did not give me some egotistical or asinine response originally. Plus you have actually been responding and responding with more than a few sentences...therefore enough information for a counter response.



Also, your " you know I am right about this as most guys are lazy and you and others cannot be taken seriously if you deny this fact." statement, is too vague. I really have no idea how to respond to this as I do not who or how its being directed. If its at me, I can promise you, I learned first hand. I literally watched someone do it, picked up the dewalt, mimicked it, learned the concept, improved upon what I saw and made it my own. Saw products many people were using, got it and learned it. That is how I find new products is seeing what a lot of people I assume are top of the class are using, get the products and mess with it. Probably the way a lot of us have found new stuff.
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Look at Jimmy's reply..................think you missed the tone. Now is everything I have learned from trial and error......no but most of it is, remember as you point out I am MUCH older than you there was no "Autopia" or anyone really to call when I first got started, you went to SEMA or you made EFFORT to gleen information, now if you feel you are in the "Blanket statement" of guys being lazy then maybe if the "Shoe fits" I went to the PM's and YOU asked for tips from me.........not the other way around.



Now things evolve, and new products come out all the time and I take the position of finding things out for myself as opposed to others doing that for me unless I know that person can know the real difference in a product or procedure working(Few have worked with me and those that have I can know exactly where there skill level and ability to know the right way to do something can be verified)my point is and is(Hate repeating myself again and again...) that even when someone will say what they used there will be the "What did you use" which glossed over actualy reading the content and worse slide stepping the obvious good work right to the "How did you do it".



Do I need to really point this out, because when I read a write up first I am looking at the car, then the work level performed on it and if the person does not put in all the steps my first thought is not "Well the guy did not list what he did...........he must have forgot so I will ask. There are some guys that go as far as listing what pads and the speed down to the smallest detail on a detail(Pun intended) and that is great, but for those who do not and in my case a very good reason to do so why is it a big deal? the reason is to those that ask it is a big deal and feel as if to post a write up it is required or that person is a "Egomaniac" or worse, just like when Jon Miller said in the "Buying public" comment which is so silly as a write up from me here has produced one client VERY recently that I did a Porsche Cayenne Turbo for otherwise I am marketing to ...........other detailers :confused:.



My rant is not against someone asking a perfectly normal question, but you know the intent right away when you see good or great work performed and the comments are something like "Great job" or "Insane shine" and maybe "What a turn around as that car was horrible" and then the "What did you use"................................. does not seem to happen unless it is a great write up, why not ask "What did you use" on a 20 pic write up with no clear before and after shots or other demonstrations of tight work.....................because their is nothing to get from that post obviously.



I think of this situation the same as if you were @ place having dinner and a well known person is there and you want to talk with them during their meal and when they do not it is ......."What a A-hole"..........I pay his salary by going to his movies/ballgames................he doesn't pay attention to the "Small people" totally ignoring the fact that that person was having dinner on their private time, the same with someone listing or listing PRODUCTS or how they are used.....they have a good reason or maybe even they do not..................get over it......finally.
 
VW 91 said:
IMO I dont see anything wrong in asking what product were used. The way I see it is that there are a lot of professionals on this forum (Bob and Richie for ex.) and other professionals and enthusiasts look up to them and value their opinions on products and techniques. I can understand that some just like to show the cars in a proper state (as you mentioned Bob), without saying the products/process used and that is fine too. But if someone asks about a product used during the detail I dont see a reason why not to tell them. I feel as if were all here to help each other and so that we can all keep learning, and in detailing, you can never stop learning or learn "enough".
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On the surface this logic is perfectly fine........................up until the part when someone tries to take food of your table that you earned and they did not, I understand the "New to somebody" issue very well but not everyone plays by the rules and some will do shady stuff.



My real beef is the "You owe me" attitude and the little to no effort put in by quite a few here, and some make no effort at hiding their intentions.................it is like this, someone on the street asks you for money................did they say "Hey give me some money" or did they say "If you could please help me with anything you can, that would be much appreciated" quite a different tone between the two statements is there not.



To the person asking someone else for something that they are paid well for and they ARE NOT paying, I feel being respectful even to a fault is needed but of course that is my opinion.
 
Auto Concierge said:
On the surface this logic is perfectly fine........................up until the part when someone tries to take food of your table that you earned and they did not, I understand the "New to somebody" issue very well but not everyone plays by the rules and some will do shady stuff.



My real beef is the "You owe me" attitude and the little to no effort put in by quite a few here, and some make no effort at hiding their intentions.................it is like this, someone on the street asks you for money................did they say "Hey give me some money" or did they say "If you could please help me with anything you can, that would be much appreciated" quite a different tone between the two statements is there not.



To the person asking someone else for something that they are paid well for and they ARE NOT paying, I feel being respectful even to a fault is needed but of course that is my opinion.
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Unfortunately there will always be those who ask, ask, ask, but never offer anything else in return. But at the same time they may not be confident enough in their skills to offer any advice, afraid of steering someone in the wrong direction. I know I was like that when I first started detailing. In your case, I understand why you don't include products/process in your write-ups as someone has tried to screw you over before. But in general, I dont see anything wrong asking for someones thoughts on a product before I buy it or asking what they used in a write up if not listed already. And if that person doesn't want to share then I'm fine with that too, they have their reasons for not disclosing that information and thats not up to me.
 
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