2008 Mustang Bullitt full detail

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OK, you just got done washing, claying, waxing....the finish feels like butter and looks great. You are really proud of yourself..... until the sun hits it at just the right angle, or you pull into that parking lot at night with those lights that make EVERY scratch, microswirl, whatever, show up. :(



It seems that no matter how good a vehicle looks, if you get close and the light is right, microscratch/swirl all over the place.



I eliminated most of these from half of my trunk with Griots machine polish #3 (PC applied), but it took 6 apps and there are still some left. Not much, though. This stuff is all over my car and it would take some serious time to do this. Not going to bother if they will just come back. Plus I would be a little concerned about damaging the clearcoat.



Is getting rid of these things possible to do with a PC without spending 3 weeks on it? If it is possible to get rid of, how long would it take to come back or could a good sealant (Zaino, Klasse) protect well enough to stop it?



I would really appreciate hearing from you guys on this...thanks.
 
I was lucky enough to start with a new finish.

It is 99% swirl free(under any light-flour. halogen,etc..)

When washing, I sheet the water first, then use the Cali WB, which is one of the few products that actually does what it says!!

Then, I blot the rest with a PVA Sponge cloth from Target.



When waxing or QD'ing, I only use MF's for buffing.



I have only used Zaino everything on it since day 1, and the finish is absolutely flawless!!!

Stay away from cleaner-waxes and products w/abrasives in them!!



HTH!:)
 
Don't worry, most daily drivers are full of scratches and imperfections. It is almost impossible to have a daily driver that isn't like that. You cannot really help it. If you don't scratch your paint, then that woman walking by with her purse will surly be sure to hit it a few times. We just try to make our vehicles look as good as they can.
 
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No, I didn't clay it yet-but made sure the paint was super-slick before applying the zaino.



Dawn+Z7 wash worked really well!
 
Intel486,



Do you try to do a major detail on your daily driver a couple times per year where you take an abrasive to the clearcoat to reduce the microswirls, or does your sealant take the brunt of that and you just replace it periodically?
 
IMO, unless you own a garage-queen that rarely is driven, your car will never be scratch free. No matter how carefully you wash your car, wax it, or QD it, there will be some microscopic marring.



But do I care? Yes, I get annoyed, but I need to be realistic about it on my daily-drivers. My car faces salt, UV rays, industrial fallout, and road tar everyday. If I’m a perfectionist that cannot stand a single tiny marr in the paint and polish weekly with a SMR, who knows when the paint is going to come off?



For me, I'll be just as happy living with the knowledge I have a well-protected car. But if I had a Porsche GT2, that might be a different story... ;) :D
 
BW,



I take it that when you park under those parking lot lights at night, you see the swirl things in the daily driver too.



I thought I was just doing such a bad job with claying or something. In the regular sun (unless morning or twilite) my finish looks great and feels like butter.



Now I don't feel so bad. I thought that if I got all of them out of the finish, then applied Zaino or something that could be layered, the sealant would take the scratches - not my paint.



I am being obsessive about it....
 
Direct sunlight and nightlight spiderwebbing.



I think this is one detailing aspect we will chase for many

years. I bet you will see this on Lamborghini's as well as

Civic's.



I tried 3M SMR 39009 yesterday to se if it would knock this

down a little. Forget it, a waist of time. For people with

young cars you may be able to delay this but if your car is

two years or older I bet your finish looks like the Milky Way

under street or flourecsent lights.



Like the commercial says there is " no town called Perfect "
 
Yes sir, the milky way it is. My car is only one year old and full of this stuff. I thought maybe I could get rid of it and then put a few coats of sealant over the finish and let the sealant get scratched, not my paint.
 
I dunno about that, but what I learned about sealants

is that they bond [meld] into your paint. Maybe others

can elaborate.



So what I'm getting at is that both will marr, scar, scratch,

spider web, etc. defeating the purpose of protective layer.



Just a thought.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by The Lizard [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Intel486,

Do you try to do a major detail on your daily driver a couple times per year where you take an abrasive to the clearcoat to reduce the microswirls, or does your sealant take the brunt of that and you just replace it periodically? [/b]</blockquote>
I try to do it twice a year. Some scratches take a little sanding, others I use touch-up paint on. I've got some work to do on my truck now. Someone but a nice scratch on my door and right above my rear tire. GRRRRRR.

The sealant is way too thin to take the damage from ppl hitting your car with bags or you running your truck through *cough* bushes.
 
Intel486



If that's the case. then I will probably just try to live with the spiderwebbing and to hell with it. It is crazy to go overboard over some paint defects that I can only see in a certain light.



This is a daily driver and while I am concerned with the finish, I don't want to live for it. Does all the spiderwebbing come out in your major detail routine?
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by The Lizard [/i]
<strong class='bbc'> Does all the spiderwebbing come out in your major detail routine? [/b]</blockquote>
I'm not sure what we are using as the definition for Spiderwebbing. The stuff I call spiderwebbing is small cracks in the clearcoat. I have some on my truck. I'll take a picture of them later.

I'm going to be taking my truck to the dealer to try to get them to approve a repaint because of the spiderwebbing on my hood and the paint peeling on my roof. I know I can get my roof repainted. I'm just hoping to get my hood repainted for free too.

The stuff I call spiderwebbing won't come out unless you colorsand.
 
When I say spiderwebbing, it is that microscratch pattern that looks like the Milky Way. Like a spinning galaxy. Almost everyone has it on their car unless it is brand new. And it is all over the car, not just in spots.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by The Lizard [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>When I say spiderwebbing, it is that microscratch pattern that looks like the Milky Way. Like a spinning galaxy. Almost everyone has it on their car unless it is brand new. And it is all over the car, not just in spots. [/b]</blockquote>

I dont think that this is a true stament......I have seen many cars(including my SS) that look great in direct sunlight. None of them have the "swirl" "Milky way" Look that you are talking about.
 
Bill,



Even under parking lot lights at night it looks OK? In the sun, I have to catch just the right angle to see it, otherwise it looks fine.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by The Lizard [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Bill,

Even under parking lot lights at night it looks OK? In the sun, I have to catch just the right angle to see it, otherwise it looks fine. [/b]</blockquote>

LOL, you know that is funny you ask...... there is a new Gas station here. At night it is lit up like it is six feet from the sun.
I take the Satty and the SS there at night to look over the cars. It is a different look than the 15 flourescent lights that are in my garage. I go, pull in there and get out look aver the car, Bending down and moving back and forth looking for swirls and othere imperfections. You should see the looks I get from people and I dont get any gasoline.. I dont care! But Ya, i dont have any of the milkyway efect that you talk about, I do see a swirl every now and then, but I keep track and fix them asap....
 
Yup, maybe I said it wrong. I dont have any swirls, the "milky-way effect," or massive amounts of microscratches... just an occasional, centimeter long "mark" on the paint that is only visible through a few 1000w halogen spotlights. So no, its not "scratch-free," but not bad in any way at all.

But under regular flourescents or sunlight, it "looks" <strong class='bbc'>p e r f e c t[/b].
 
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