2004 Black Lexus LS430-Just a few swirls...NOT!

gmblack3a said:
I can't remember the name of the paper, I think its some off brand that they sell at a local detail supply place. Maybe its time I step up to some real paper....
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Ah, the probably explains a lot...now I don't feel so bad about beating a dead horse!



Yeah, better papers make a world of difference, primarily in that you don't get those random, deeper-than-they-oughta be marks (IIRC some call them "sanding tracers"). I quit using 3M paper once I got some of the Meguiar's/Nikken stuff and never looked back. Good 3-4K paper (or sanding pads) can be a real eye-opener, and with some of the transformations you're doing it might be worth looking into.



Despite my experiences with 3M paper, yeah, I hear some people are very happy with the Trizact system. But if I were gonna go with a little D/A for the sanding I think I'd go with the Mirka system. No link handy, but it's what my painter swears by. He lent me a few of his pads to try out by hand and it's really nice stuff. Takes a lot of the :soscared: out of wetsanding IMO. FWIW, he finishes out post-sanding with Menzerna.
 
Bryan, I was talking to the guy at Sherwin Williams automotive paint store about the Trizact system. He said it is pretty incredible. I just checked out the video. Seems pretty interesting. I already spent over $100 on detail supplies today, so maybe tomorrow!
 
gmblack3a said:
I'd really like to have that 3M trizact 3000 cut setup with a small airpowered DA.
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I've used the trizact/air powered DA combo in the past...phenomenal results and uber easy to use. Makes traditional wet sanding by hand seem archaic.



As an aside if there is one thing I have learned in my years of doing this...never assume the level of clear a vehicle has on it. I've seen more than my share of cars that looked as bad as this Lexus but have a mere breath of clear left on them. All it takes is one dealer jockey (especially a used car lot dealer jockey) with a dirty wool pad, 3M heavy cut and 2000 rpm's to make a car look like your before pictures. The car looks like it had never been polished but your paint meter will tell you otherwise.
 
1 Clean WS6 said:
I've used the trizact/air powered DA combo in the past...phenomenal results and uber easy to use. Makes traditional wet sanding by hand seem archaic.



As an aside if there is one thing I have learned in my years of doing this...never assume the level of clear a vehicle has on it. I've seen more than my share of cars that looked as bad as this Lexus but have a mere breath of clear left on them. All it takes is one dealer jockey (especially a used car lot dealer jockey) with a dirty wool pad, 3M heavy cut and 2000 rpm's to make a car look like your before pictures. The car looks like it had never been polished but your paint meter will tell you otherwise.
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Mike,

So you wetsand before hand, then go over it with the Trizact on the DA correct? How does it work with just using the 3000 Trizact paper on paint? Will it remove RIDS and such, or is wetsanding necessary first to remove the imperfections? I would like to try this system out sometime.
 
Accumulator said:
Ah, the probably explains a lot...now I don't feel so bad about beating a dead horse!



Yeah, better papers make a world of difference, primarily in that you don't get those random, deeper-than-they-oughta be marks (IIRC some call them "sanding tracers"). I quit using 3M paper once I got some of the Meguiar's/Nikken stuff and never looked back. Good 3-4K paper (or sanding pads) can be a real eye-opener, and with some of the transformations you're doing it might be worth looking into.



Despite my experiences with 3M paper, yeah, I hear some people are very happy with the Trizact system. But if I were gonna go with a little D/A for the sanding I think I'd go with the Mirka system. No link handy, but it's what my painter swears by. He lent me a few of his pads to try out by hand and it's really nice stuff. Takes a lot of the :soscared: out of wetsanding IMO. FWIW, he finishes out post-sanding with Menzerna.
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Will pick up some real paper soon!



Thanks for all the info
 
RickRack said:
Bryan, I was talking to the guy at Sherwin Williams automotive paint store about the Trizact system. He said it is pretty incredible. I just checked out the video. Seems pretty interesting. I already spent over $100 on detail supplies today, so maybe tomorrow!
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Rick, If I remember right a 15 pack of the trizact 3000 cut pads where $90.... Maybe they told me the wrong price.



1 Clean WS6 said:
I've used the trizact/air powered DA combo in the past...phenomenal results and uber easy to use. Makes traditional wet sanding by hand seem archaic.



As an aside if there is one thing I have learned in my years of doing this...never assume the level of clear a vehicle has on it. I've seen more than my share of cars that looked as bad as this Lexus but have a mere breath of clear left on them. All it takes is one dealer jockey (especially a used car lot dealer jockey) with a dirty wool pad, 3M heavy cut and 2000 rpm's to make a car look like your before pictures. The car looks like it had never been polished but your paint meter will tell you otherwise.
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Mike, The trizact system sure does looks like the cats ashe in that video.



You will be happy to know that today I ordered a PosiTest DFT from Phil at DD. It will be here wed. I might have a 1997 993 in guard red to fully detail so it will come handy on that one.
 
Got these pics from the client today, he said the car was out in the rain yesterday. No wash since the rain yesterday:



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Bryan, when i saw the pictures of the scratches (even that's an understatement), i was thinking... how in the world are you going to go about doing that... and then i saw your process... learned how much wool can correct a paint as I would've just gone with a purple foamed wool or a yellow LC pad... Great... outstanding job on the correction!!!



As for those lights... I am actually going to buy a pair of those from home depot. They're "industrial standards" or something like that correct? They seem really beefy, and they carry a lifetime warranty too! Great job again on the car.
 
Thanks again Rick!



Sam, Thanks for your kind words! The cleint said he has got the lights replaced 3-4 times already. Something about a switch issue.
 
Accumulator said:
gmblack3a- Those pics from the owner sure look good. Hope its future washes are done nice and gently ;)
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Thanks Accumulator! I sent him links to some nice WWs, sheepskins mits and grit guards from Patrick at Excel.
 
Bryan, that is one heck of an impressive job! WOW!!!! Glad to see you wooped it butt.



I have those same halogens and they are great. Nothing can hide under those. Sometimes it is a pain in the butt working under them. They suck so much juice, sometimes I will blow breakers with all 4 on with the metabo going at once.



You have definatly got some skill!
 
rydawg said:
Bryan, that is one heck of an impressive job! WOW!!!! Glad to see you wooped it butt.



I have those same halogens and they are great. Nothing can hide under those. Sometimes it is a pain in the butt working under them. They suck so much juice, sometimes I will blow breakers with all 4 on with the metabo going at once.



You have definatly got some skill!
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Thanks Ryan! I learned a lot from you and others like Todd. Again thanks for all your help!
 
STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I would have charged $500 for that easy!!



You have some talent there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
SilverLexus said:
Just a few swirls? :grinno:



Amazing job Bryan. :bow
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Thanks Lee! Just a few swirls every sq inch. :)



David703 said:
STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I would have charged $500 for that easy!!



You have some talent there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you David for your kind words!
 
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