2002 Yamha R1 Spring Detail: Rasky's Auto Detailing
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imported_Intermezzo
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Can't go wrong with either. Both provide equally excellent protection and a great shine.
I personally like Zaino because of the way it makes your paint feel smooth & slippery. It's by far the slickest stuff I've ever used and it's very easy to apply and remove.
The good thing about Klasse is that you're less limited to one product and can put different carnauba toppers (not that Z users are limited to Z products only. Just a little more flexible, that's all). Furthermore, I like the cleaning props of AIO.
HTH
I personally like Zaino because of the way it makes your paint feel smooth & slippery. It's by far the slickest stuff I've ever used and it's very easy to apply and remove.
The good thing about Klasse is that you're less limited to one product and can put different carnauba toppers (not that Z users are limited to Z products only. Just a little more flexible, that's all). Furthermore, I like the cleaning props of AIO.
HTH
DETAILKING
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In my opinion Zaino is easier to work with......easier to buff off and ability to work in the sun.
Like you, I used Meguiar's products and found that they did not last a very long time. Over time, I wound up switching to Klasse and haven't looked back since. One thing you will like is the shine it gives and the 6 month durability(especially during the winters I endure in Chicago).
Plus, as others have said, you can top it with a nice carnuba wax such as Blitz or Pinnacle to give the shine more warmth and depth.
Plus, as others have said, you can top it with a nice carnuba wax such as Blitz or Pinnacle to give the shine more warmth and depth.
Couple of new products out there called Zasse and Klaino, both work excellent 
The ONLY reason why I drift towards Klasse, is cause I only apply it twice a year (sure I apply it over several days
but that's your choice) I just wash and QD every week and I'm golden. Even my sister uses just AIO on her car twice a year. She comes on two consecutive weekends we put 2 coats on her car each time and she's set for 6 months. She loves it, and I feel good knowing that even though she doesn't wash much, it's protected. (the bare mins for Klasse are just too easy)
I also think that if you're in to the whole complex world of detailing, you can go overboard with Klasse and overboard with Zaino, and then the real shine starts to come out make them just as involved as each other. So in the latter respect the fine line between (in their advanced forms) them gets finer.
Hope that helps (hope that makes sense)
The ONLY reason why I drift towards Klasse, is cause I only apply it twice a year (sure I apply it over several days
but that's your choice) I just wash and QD every week and I'm golden. Even my sister uses just AIO on her car twice a year. She comes on two consecutive weekends we put 2 coats on her car each time and she's set for 6 months. She loves it, and I feel good knowing that even though she doesn't wash much, it's protected. (the bare mins for Klasse are just too easy)I also think that if you're in to the whole complex world of detailing, you can go overboard with Klasse and overboard with Zaino, and then the real shine starts to come out make them just as involved as each other. So in the latter respect the fine line between (in their advanced forms) them gets finer.
Hope that helps (hope that makes sense
)imported_Intermezzo
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Stevie,
No carnauba topper for you?
No carnauba topper for you?
Langley Interior Car Kare
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last paragraph a few times steve...and despite i be a college grad...and from Brooklyn no less...you got me...
it's the wax nazi, no carnuba topper for you!!!
ok, let me splain again
in the bare mins vs the bare mins game for K and Z
For Klasse you can just use the All in One product two coats (I prefer two coats on seperate weekends).
For Zaino I believe you just need a Z something and then top with the Z other thing and just layer that on as much as you want (I so haven't tried the Z line)
But in any sense the bare mins game, I feel (I feel) that Klasse does better all things considering. (feel free to speak otherwise on bare mins of Z becuase I don't know really)
I also feel if you just use the AIO it'll still protect for a very long time and you don't have to apply it again for 6 months.
Now if you want to go overboard, you can do so with both products.
In the Z corner we have Z sub x with x - > infinity then you can take all those products and layer them 100 times each
In the K corner you can PPCL and AIO a few times waiting 24 hours between each coat then SG time infinity and then finally you can buy $80 Souveran and concourse it all you want.
So the point is: if you're going to go overboard you can certainly do so all you want, but if you're looking for bare mins, IMHO, I think that Klasse might be slightly, ever so minutely, tinily easier, since you only have to do it twice a year.
oh yeah, and BTW a $15 kit these days will last you a whole year
Steve
ok, let me splain again
in the bare mins vs the bare mins game for K and Z
For Klasse you can just use the All in One product two coats (I prefer two coats on seperate weekends).
For Zaino I believe you just need a Z something and then top with the Z other thing and just layer that on as much as you want (I so haven't tried the Z line)
But in any sense the bare mins game, I feel (I feel) that Klasse does better all things considering. (feel free to speak otherwise on bare mins of Z becuase I don't know really)
I also feel if you just use the AIO it'll still protect for a very long time and you don't have to apply it again for 6 months.
Now if you want to go overboard, you can do so with both products.
In the Z corner we have Z sub x with x - > infinity then you can take all those products and layer them 100 times each
In the K corner you can PPCL and AIO a few times waiting 24 hours between each coat then SG time infinity and then finally you can buy $80 Souveran and concourse it all you want.
So the point is: if you're going to go overboard you can certainly do so all you want, but if you're looking for bare mins, IMHO, I think that Klasse might be slightly, ever so minutely, tinily easier, since you only have to do it twice a year.
oh yeah, and BTW a $15 kit these days will last you a whole year
Steve
I dunno Steve.
With Z you can put the initial coat of Z1 + Z2 or Z3 or Z5 then the next day one more coat of Z2 or Z3 or Z5 and be done for 6 months. The extra coats are for fun + shine + protection.
I will be trying the Klasse stuff on GF Blazer and will report on the differences; if there are many.
With Z you can put the initial coat of Z1 + Z2 or Z3 or Z5 then the next day one more coat of Z2 or Z3 or Z5 and be done for 6 months. The extra coats are for fun + shine + protection.
I will be trying the Klasse stuff on GF Blazer and will report on the differences; if there are many.
DETAILKING
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DETAILKING
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Zaino dries in about 20 minutes to one hour depending on how thick you put it on. I detail my bmw in the sun all the time outside as I don't have a garage that I can use. Zaino goes on easy and buffs off easier, even in the direct sun on a hot day. I don't understand your concern?
Here is zaino on an orient blue BMW, which is a similar metallic dark blue as your maxima........
<img src=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=53322293>
Here is zaino on an orient blue BMW, which is a similar metallic dark blue as your maxima........
<img src=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1575126&a=11974151&p=53322293>
imported_Intermezzo
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DK, isn't the ZFX mixture going to reduce drying time (in addition to the highly awaited shortening of the cure time)?
Both are very good polymer sealants that last a long time. I feel the real difference you will find is the prep and "proper" application ways.
The advantage of Klasse is that there <strong class='bbc'>isn't[/b] this "exact-way" to apply it. You can experiment around with different cure times, layer thickness, damp towel or not, or wax topper or not.
The Zaino advantage is just the opposite. The instructions say you have to apply it exactly "this-way" which makes it seem like a lot of work. The truth is, it isn't that hard or a lot of work (just Z-7, Z-1, Z-2, Z-6.) These long instructions is just for what Sal Zaino find's to be the "best way." So no need to experiment here.
As far as application, Klasse may need less products or time, but may need just as much as Zaino. For example with Klasse you can wait 24 hours for it to cure if you want to, or you can apply layers immediately after. You can just use Klasse AIO or SG, or use the Quick Detailer, Clay bar, car wash, Wax topper, etc. It all depends.
For shine, Zaino is a reflective, cold "wet" shine, whereas Klasse is more natural and "deeper" IMHO. Also, with Klasse you can add a wax topper for a warmer and an even deeper shine.
For pricing, Klasse is cheaper per ounce, and what do I prefer?
Klasse for darker colors because I prefer a more subtle look, and Zaino for lighter colors, especially metallic because I like how Zaino "brightens" and makes the paint.... just happier
Oh, and I also prefer Klasse for cars I don't spend much time on and other people's car.
No matter which one you choose, they are both good choices. Good luck!
The advantage of Klasse is that there <strong class='bbc'>isn't[/b] this "exact-way" to apply it. You can experiment around with different cure times, layer thickness, damp towel or not, or wax topper or not.
The Zaino advantage is just the opposite. The instructions say you have to apply it exactly "this-way" which makes it seem like a lot of work. The truth is, it isn't that hard or a lot of work (just Z-7, Z-1, Z-2, Z-6.) These long instructions is just for what Sal Zaino find's to be the "best way." So no need to experiment here.
As far as application, Klasse may need less products or time, but may need just as much as Zaino. For example with Klasse you can wait 24 hours for it to cure if you want to, or you can apply layers immediately after. You can just use Klasse AIO or SG, or use the Quick Detailer, Clay bar, car wash, Wax topper, etc. It all depends.
For shine, Zaino is a reflective, cold "wet" shine, whereas Klasse is more natural and "deeper" IMHO. Also, with Klasse you can add a wax topper for a warmer and an even deeper shine.
For pricing, Klasse is cheaper per ounce, and what do I prefer?
Klasse for darker colors because I prefer a more subtle look, and Zaino for lighter colors, especially metallic because I like how Zaino "brightens" and makes the paint.... just happier
Oh, and I also prefer Klasse for cars I don't spend much time on and other people's car. No matter which one you choose, they are both good choices. Good luck!
GMN my point exactly
Copied from my last post:
For Klasse you can just use the All in One product two coats (I prefer two coats on seperate weekends).
Copied from your last post:
With Z you can put the initial coat of Z1 + Z2 or Z3 or Z5 then the next day one more coat of Z2 or Z3 or Z5 and be done for 6 months.
Now knowing that you can put two coats of AIO and be done for the next half of the year, you decide?
Now how many people out there do just what GMN does? I know 4 people that do just what I said. MB, thanks for not making this a flame war, its good to have a healthy discussion every now and then.
Copied from my last post:
For Klasse you can just use the All in One product two coats (I prefer two coats on seperate weekends).
Copied from your last post:
With Z you can put the initial coat of Z1 + Z2 or Z3 or Z5 then the next day one more coat of Z2 or Z3 or Z5 and be done for 6 months.
Now knowing that you can put two coats of AIO and be done for the next half of the year, you decide?
Now how many people out there do just what GMN does? I know 4 people that do just what I said. MB, thanks for not making this a flame war, its good to have a healthy discussion every now and then.
DETAILKING
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When ZFX comes out later this month it will make zaino a true one step system and omit the Z1 completely. Drying time will decrease and it will allow an instant cure, so back to back layering is possible.
As for KLASSE, I would wait 24 hrs cure time before adding more coats. Polymers need time to set in order to layer unless they have a catalyst additive to initiate and speed up crosslinking, I don't care what you are using.. Many members feel that way and wait 24 hours for KLASSE to cure before adding additional coats. Some member even reported GUMMING when applying KLASSE too soon, as the next coat kind of starting stripping the first that was not fully cured yet though. There are no detailed instructions for KLASSE, so people expermiment and use it the way it works best for them. Ironically, different users reported different methods of usage that worked best for them. What worked for some, didn't work for others,etc,etc.
Zaino can be applied back to back too, but you won't get the full layering effect. If sal never tested this and specifically stated it, I am sure users would be layering back to back with decent results. The man knows his product, its limitations, and reports this back to his customers for optimum usage.
The other thing is that Zaino preserves the natural color of the car, while KLASSE tends to darken the color a bit like carnubas and adds a tint to it.
Do your own research, and use what will fit best into your needs, goals, and time.
As for KLASSE, I would wait 24 hrs cure time before adding more coats. Polymers need time to set in order to layer unless they have a catalyst additive to initiate and speed up crosslinking, I don't care what you are using.. Many members feel that way and wait 24 hours for KLASSE to cure before adding additional coats. Some member even reported GUMMING when applying KLASSE too soon, as the next coat kind of starting stripping the first that was not fully cured yet though. There are no detailed instructions for KLASSE, so people expermiment and use it the way it works best for them. Ironically, different users reported different methods of usage that worked best for them. What worked for some, didn't work for others,etc,etc.
Zaino can be applied back to back too, but you won't get the full layering effect. If sal never tested this and specifically stated it, I am sure users would be layering back to back with decent results. The man knows his product, its limitations, and reports this back to his customers for optimum usage.
The other thing is that Zaino preserves the natural color of the car, while KLASSE tends to darken the color a bit like carnubas and adds a tint to it.
Do your own research, and use what will fit best into your needs, goals, and time.
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by DETAILKING [/i]
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Some member even reported GUMMING when applying KLASSE too soon, as the next coat kind of starting stripping the first that was not fully cured yet though.
There are no detailed instructions for KLASSE, so people expermiment and use it the way it works best for them.
The other thing is that Zaino preserves the natural color of the car, while KLASSE tends to darken the color a bit like carnubas and adds a tint to it.
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Just had to add some insight on DK's comments....
First, I have applied Klasse plenty of times to my black car and have not had any problems in terms of gumming. <strong class='bbc'>What exactly were the problems this user reported[/b]? I suspect this claim to be human error rather than an error of the product.
Second, you seem to like to comment on how Klasse has no instructions...ever take a look at the back of the bottle [
]? Plenty of instructions there and they are simple to begin with. Any further problems can be cleared up here: http://www.properautocare.com/klasapguid.html
Third, what is this claim that Klasse darkens the paint? I have seen many pictures of cars with Klasse on them, cars ranging from silver (such as Steve's Passat) to my black car. From what I can tell, the paint did not seem darkened or tinted at all.
Just thought I would clear those issues up. Maybe others can offer some input too?
<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by DETAILKING [/i]
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Some member even reported GUMMING when applying KLASSE too soon, as the next coat kind of starting stripping the first that was not fully cured yet though.
There are no detailed instructions for KLASSE, so people expermiment and use it the way it works best for them.
The other thing is that Zaino preserves the natural color of the car, while KLASSE tends to darken the color a bit like carnubas and adds a tint to it.
[/b]</blockquote>
Just had to add some insight on DK's comments....
First, I have applied Klasse plenty of times to my black car and have not had any problems in terms of gumming. <strong class='bbc'>What exactly were the problems this user reported[/b]? I suspect this claim to be human error rather than an error of the product.
Second, you seem to like to comment on how Klasse has no instructions...ever take a look at the back of the bottle [
]? Plenty of instructions there and they are simple to begin with. Any further problems can be cleared up here: http://www.properautocare.com/klasapguid.htmlThird, what is this claim that Klasse darkens the paint? I have seen many pictures of cars with Klasse on them, cars ranging from silver (such as Steve's Passat) to my black car. From what I can tell, the paint did not seem darkened or tinted at all.
Just thought I would clear those issues up. Maybe others can offer some input too?
Koyaanisqatsi
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I would have to agree with JM19 that The instructions are right there on the bottle. I have never seen a difference between waiting betwen coats of Klasse or Zaino and applying more that day. I have layered klaase 3 coats in a day and it looked great. Got better with each coat. The same goes for zaino. The main difference I have seen between the look of Klasse and Zaino is that Klasse looks like z-5 with its candy shine. Z-2 still has that but to a lesser degree. They are both good products. I have been using zaino for 4 months now and it is fine. Not perfect but good.