#20 provided better protection than Zaino....

Mike Phillips said:
I love working for Meguiar's. It's a fun job. I do have an open mind and I do purchase and test a lot of other products. One thing I don’t think I have ever done is comment on a product if I haven’t actually tried the product.



Isn't that what we are all after? Getting up, being excited about going to work, because you get paid to do what you love to do? :bow



I think that's also another strength of Autopia. People will state that they haven't worked with a product if they haven't. They don't just slag it for no reason.



I have used #20 in the past, and still have some. I am not currently using it, because like you quote (one of my favourite quotes), "find something you like, and use it often". I am just excited about using Klasse and Platinum right now, probably because it is new to me.



I do have one question though. With the exception Zaino, that I can recall, all the polymer type products smell terrible. Klasse, Platinum, #20, etc. All the ones I have tried. Isn't it just as easy to add a nice scent, like for #26, or Mother's Pure Carnauba? Man, I really like that Bubble Gum smell. If one of the polymers smelled better, it would influence more people to choose it more. I know it would for me anyway. After all, if you are going to spend hours applying it, using a product which smells nice would be preferable to one which smelled vile. :D
 
mike, i applied it thin, and its the paste version, not the liquid. point is, i dont' like how its not buttery soft, having specs of wax to apply goes all over the paint, and they don't rub in at all. Heck, sometimes i wish i would have got the liquid version instead of the paste.
 
2wheelsx2 said:
Isn't that what we are all after? Getting up, being excited about going to work, because you get paid to do what you love to do? :bow



I think that's also another strength of Autopia. People will state that they haven't worked with a product if they haven't. They don't just slag it for no reason.



I have used #20 in the past, and still have some. I am not currently using it, because like you quote (one of my favourite quotes), "find something you like, and use it often". I am just excited about using Klasse and Platinum right now, probably because it is new to me.



I do have one question though. With the exception Zaino, that I can recall, all the polymer type products smell terrible. Klasse, Platinum, #20, etc. All the ones I have tried. Isn't it just as easy to add a nice scent, like for #26, or Mother's Pure Carnauba? Man, I really like that Bubble Gum smell. If one of the polymers smelled better, it would influence more people to choose it more. I know it would for me anyway. After all, if you are going to spend hours applying it, using a product which smells nice would be preferable to one which smelled vile. :D



I have to tell you, I worked for Hewlett-Packard for about 8 years and I hated it.



Sure I learned a lot while I was there, in fact it is where I was first introduced to the "net" when Mosaic 1.2 beta was all there was for browsers.



I started postingn to the Usenet Newsgroups back in 1994 on the topic of "How-To" with Meguiar's.



I used to walk around repeating my work mantra...



"I hate my job, I hate my job, I hate my job" etc.



I would look at the machines and say... "This isn't a car"



As far as the smell of #20 goes...



I just opened a brand new bottle of #20 and took a whiff...



Smells good to me!



I can't place the scent... but at least to me... it smells good.



I agree years ago it did have a solvent smell to it, but now longer.



It is very thick and creamy and has a very nice smell.



It applies easily, spreads out good, cures/dries fast and wipes offe easy.



Provides good to excellent protection with above average shine.



Just my opinion of course.



Maybe you have an older bottle?
 
Abercrombie2582 said:
mike, i applied it thin, and its the paste version, not the liquid. point is, i dont' like how its not buttery soft, having specs of wax to apply goes all over the paint, and they don't rub in at all. Heck, sometimes i wish i would have got the liquid version instead of the paste.



Two things,



First, Is the #26 Paste that you have in a "Plastic Jar"?



If so... ugh...



Second thing,



If you send me your shipping address... I will send you a free bottle of #20 Polymer Sealant and #26 Hi-Tech Yellow wax for you to test and play around with as long as you promise to come back here and post your "honest opinion, good or bad.



(I just opened a brand new bottle of #20 and now I have to find a way to get rid of it!)



I'll even send you a few other goodies...



I'm sure you can find some car hoods to test on.



Sound good?



Your call.
 
In fact,



If Deanski is interested...



I'll send him a brand new bottle of #20 to examine and play with and I'll include some Meguiar's foam applicators and some Meguiar's Ultimate Wipes, (microfiber polishing cloths).



Same rule applies however, and that is... you have to come back and post your honest opinion.



If you don't like... so be it.



If you like it... then maybe share why.



Let me know and I'll get both shipments out tomorrow.



p.s.



the #26 I'm sending Abercrombie2582 will be the "Liquid" version.
 
Mike Phillips said:




As far as the smell of #20 goes...



I just opened a brand new bottle of #20 and took a whiff...



Smells good to me!

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Maybe you have an older bottle?



That must be it. My liquid is very thin, and smells terrible. Very runny. I just got it 2 years ago. I am up in Canada. Maybe that makes a difference?



Dang! Maybe it's time I went and got some new stuff.....:eek:
 
2wheelsx2 said:
I do have one question though. With the exception Zaino, that I can recall, all the polymer type products smell terrible. Klasse, Platinum, #20, etc. All the ones I have tried. Isn't it just as easy to add a nice scent, like for #26, or Mother's Pure Carnauba? Man, I really like that Bubble Gum smell. If one of the polymers smelled better, it would influence more people to choose it more. I know it would for me anyway. After all, if you are going to spend hours applying it, using a product which smells nice would be preferable to one which smelled vile. :D



Which Platinum UPP you have? mine is one of the best scented product I have, together with Poorboys EX, and Megs FI, S-Dress,.........You should try the scent of German products, like 1Z! :rolleyes:
 
jgv said:
Which Platinum UPP you have? mine is one of the best scented product I have, together with Poorboys EX, and Megs FI, S-Dress,.........You should try the scent of German products, like 1Z! :rolleyes:



Really? Maybe I got old stuff again! :angry



The stuff I have is from premiumautocare and I got it 3 months ago. Oh, yeah, that's right, Jngrbrdman said that his latest shipment is easier to use, and looks new.



The stuff I have looks like this:
 
Abercrombie2582 said:
yep, its in a plastic jar, and ill be glad to test the #20 and #26 out. ill send a pm of my address.



I figured this.



When Meguiar's switched to the plastic jars it caused some problems at the manufacturing level.



Had to do with reactivity of the plastic. Changes had to be made to how the product was poured into the plastic jars also.



These problems have been addressed and curing plastic jars of #26 no longer have these issues.



However, before the problem was discovered, (it took some time to show up), product has already filled the pipeline.



So... while I apologize for the problems you have experienced with the #26 in the plastic jar, I would ask that you would withhold judgment until you receive the package I'm going to send you . :D
 
Mike Phillips said:
When Meguiar's switched to the plastic jars it caused some problems at the manufacturing level.




Don't want to be jumping on the bandwagon, but was there a recall on this product then? I have one of the plastic tubs also. The results have been ok, but not as good as what I have seen with the liquid. Would I be able to contact Meguiar's for an exchange? Mine is about 90% full.
 
2wheelsx2 said:
Really? Maybe I got old stuff again! :angry



The stuff I have is from premiumautocare and I got it 3 months ago. Oh, yeah, that's right, Jngrbrdman said that his latest shipment is easier to use, and looks new.



The stuff I have looks like this:



That's the one I have and I think it smells great! :nixweiss Anyway, that 'deleted' post about the new UPP is still a mystery, if there's a new product it's a well kept one, let's wait and see:confused:
 
2wheelsx2 said:
Don't want to be jumping on the bandwagon, but was there a recall on this product then? I have one of the plastic tubs also. The results have been ok, but not as good as what I have seen with the liquid. Would I be able to contact Meguiar's for an exchange? Mine is about 90% full.



I don't remember anything like this taking place. The problem may have been hit/miss.



I'll check tomorrow, the guy in charge of things like this isn't here today.



Mike
 
It happens in the auto industry..... when there's a problem with the mfg the client shouldn't have to pay for it, so the recalls...:sosad
 
Mike, I thoroughly enjoy reading every one of your posts! It's probably not my place to say this, but I think your knowledge and contributions are a substantial asset to Autopia.



I've used #26 (in liquid form) before on a black car and it's a very easy product to use. Apply a thin layer and the product dries in a matter of minutes. Removal was also relatively effortless, leaving a nice, deep shine.
 
This is truly fascinating. It's where chemistry and engineering intersect with cars, art, beauty, and craft.



Part of "finding a product you like" is having confidence in it; Mike, you've given me confidence in #20 and #26.



Part of a product "working for one person and not another" is proper technique; what I find instinctive and intuitive as a process, might be perfect for one product and disastrous for another. Thanks, Mike, for the tutorial on how to achieve success with products tnat some of us may find to be a bit balky. Perhaps using MF towels to remove it contributes to my perception of Gold Class Wax as not being especially durable. (Mike, would it be too forward of me to ask you to say a few words about Gold Class, other than to mention its sheeting qualities? I find it to be a curious product. It's not what Megs would call a "pure wax", is it? I'd call it a high end cleaner/wax. But, I don't know that.)



Thanks, Mike, for the insight into Meguiar's reputation in the industrial world. My father spent his entire life as a chemical engineer for Pennsylvania Industrial Chemical Co, which became a division of Hercules Inc. My brother and I both worked in the plant, in production, and we got first-hand knowledge of how mixing huge batches of chemicals is as much an art and craft as it is a science, more akin to brewing beer than to anything else. Occasionally an entire run of product was broken up and turned into fuel oil when it didn't meet spec; not very often, thankfully (I was one of the guys with the sledges, breaking up the 55 gal drums of hardened resin). Who knows, perhaps some of our raw materials eventually found their way into your waxes and polymers and mold releases!



Tom
 
I'm not knocking on Z either, but on my car I really use it as a guinea pig, I applied half of my hood with Z and half with KSG before and left it out without washing for a full week with acid rain, bird poop and other stuff, the Z side consistently left more watermarks than the K side (both 3 coats)... One of our client had 9 coats of Z and a fresh bird bomb etched right through...
 
I'm one to admit when I have made an error.



At one point I stated that I smelled a "current" version of #20. That was incorrect, as it was the older and I do mean much older bottle that one store had laying around. The label was wrong, it had the older label on it, which I did not pay attention to.



I may still have my gallon of old #20 around, and I know I still have Acid Rain CC and Clearcoat conditioner as well. You're right as to odor of Acid Rain, smells like Denteen and liked that it was thick.



As for testing it Mike, years ago, and I'm taking in the 80's or early 90's, we had an issue with #20 and a very high-end Ferrari owner who wanted a poly sealant after reading reviews on them. Being a Megs fanatic and a big supporter of the products, we chose to use it. Prep was as standard, wash, clay, polish. Problem was it streaked. Changed to new applicators, same problem. It was isolated to a bad gallon of #20. We stripped the #20 off of the finish and went back to #26 for then as the owner was not happy at all. It went to litigation, which we won anyway. At that time I had two gallons tested.



Now as for todays paints, I own a new Lexus SC430 and can tell you that the paint finish is not as durable as my previous 2001 Lexus. Not a daily driver and only on a small parkway, I sustaned stone chipping in more that 3 areas; hood, side mirrors and air-dam. Lexus is known for the quality of paint finishing technique they use on all the cars, but something is very different.



The whole comment on #20 was not to subject others in thinking it was inferior, but to explain my actions and reactions as to the product.



I still use Meguiars products today. The PC I have came with your top level kit of all the products ( Medallion, #7 #9, and others) which I still use once in awhile.



I love DACP, #34, #40, #9, #3. I'm not too thrilled with Engine Kote as it seems to produce small wax beads on some surfaces in the engine bay with a high quality sprayer. I then switched to a foam paint brush to apply it more evenly. I still use it, but keep it for wheel wells and undercarriage for now.



It's nice to see an individual that will defend its companies products, but the post was not to start a "bash this product" but more of a discussion of what happened, why it happened and resolution.



Too bad that their are no other mfg reps that can contribute to this forum so the facts are correctly stated.



One item that ALWAYS comes up is the abrasive levels of polishes. Maybe you can list the order from most aggressive to least and what it can be used for. Yes we CAN get most of this info off the Meguiars site, but a brief synopsis would be nice.



I'm composing this on the fly, as I did not have the time you had to respond, so if I am missing anything I apologize.



I have a company car (98 white Ford Escort Wagon) that could be a test subject for #20 one day, as it sees all sorts of daily driving and use.



Just so you can see what I've done, you can see my current vehicle, a red Lexus SC430 here: My SC430



Now back to more positive things and if I have misled anyone here, I apologize and do not want people to think it was shear bashing, just IMO.



You have a nice day,



Regards,

Deanski
 
Hmm, like 2wheelsx2 I also have the "plastic jar" version of #26 (not surprising given our locations). I am curious, what kind of performance deficiencies may have occured due to this problem you describe? :confused:



Is it just difficulty with application? I'm not too clear on this after reading this thread. I also found #26 not terribly easy to use (application) and have shelved mine ever since discovering S100.
 
Deanski said:


One item that ALWAYS comes up is the abrasive levels of polishes. Maybe you can list the order from most aggressive to least and what it can be used for. Yes we CAN get most of this info off the Meguiars site, but a brief synopsis would be nice.






YES! Please comment on this :D



BTW, thanks Mike for all the info so far. I may try #20 now after all... :)



-Bob
 
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