2 last minute Zaino questions....

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JaCkaL829

it was my first time...
Hello,



I'm looking to use my Zaino for the first time tomorrow. I already washed and clayed my car today, and plan on polishing my car then putting at least one coat of Z5 pro(ZFX'd). Unfortunately the weather has been ugly up here in the NE, and I feel really rushed to get this done so tomorrow is my only real window of opportunity. My first question is how long will I have to wait for the Z5(ZFX'd) to dry? Highs for tomorrow are 36 and I where I detail gets no sun, so it will be lower. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Z5 in my kind of temps? It seems like winter snuck up behind us with all these freezing rain storms already. According the FAQ I received it says it can take up to 2-3 hours in temps of 45; I'm just wondering what are some real world experiences at my temp? Ideally I was hoping to get at least 2 coats done, but now reading that I think I'll be lucky to get just one.



My second question regards my IPA wipedown. I have never done it before, but I've never used a sealant as 'picky' as Zaino before. I've read people say 50:50 wipedown, but what exactly is that? Is that 50(IPA):50(distilled water) for 91% IPA, 70% IPA or 50% IPA??? All I have is 91% and 70% IPA on hand.



Thanks in advance for any responses. I'm really looking forward to the Zaino since as I said we've already gotten a couple snow/freezing rain storms and it's not even Christmas. I also won't have any time to detail as I start my internship student teaching the beginning of January so my car really will be on the 'back burner'.
 
Wipedown- What did you wash with and what lube did you use for clay?



Z5pro drying time- You need to apply it as thin as you can, that is what you can do to help it dry faster. Its been a long time since I applied zaino in temps that low, so I can't be of much help there.
 
I washed it with GC and used GC as my clay lube. I was planning on giving it a quick wipedown with S+W before I started polishing with OP. I'm concerned about the IPA wipedown stage because I believe OP leaves behind stuff.
 
Normally the way I would do it is 50/50 ipa/water (eg. 30z ipa and 3oz water) and then do a z6 wipe down, then you can start with the z5
 
roadmaster_Tx said:
Normally the way I would do it is 50/50 ipa/water (eg. 30z ipa and 3oz water) and then do a z6 wipe down, then you can start with the z5
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Is the Z6 needed or is just an extra step? Reason I ask is because I don't have it.
 
If you dont have it then dont worry about it, just do the 50/50 ipa/water wipedown and go ahead with the z5 zfx, z6 is simply a gloss enhancer and is supposed to improve bonding, but is not a neccessity. There are many here including my self that have used z5 or z2 without z6 and have gotten great results. Good luck
 
One can use any dilution of any percentage of IPA. I rarely bother to dilute IPA because the normally purchased bottle is already diluted 7:3 (70% IPA).

From the prep products that you have used and plan to use(S&W), a IPA wash would be necessary.



Z6 wipe down is not necessary but a wonderful plus if done.



I would plan for just 1 coat at the temps you are mentioning and apply another coat after next wash.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
One can use any dilution of any percentage of IPA. I rarely bother to dilute IPA because the normally purchased bottle is already diluted 7:3 (70% IPA).

From the prep products that you have used and plan to use(S&W), a IPA wash would be necessary.



Z6 wipe down is not necessary but a wonderful plus if done.



I would plan for just 1 coat at the temps you are mentioning and apply another coat after next wash.
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I guess I'll just use my 70% IPA straight then. I tried detailing today and it just wasn't working out. Too cold and windy and a little drizzling here and there. I hope to do it tomorrow and finish before the rain predicted for Sunday. At least tomorrow's temps will be a little higher.



Thanks for all the replies.
 
JohnnyDaJackal said:
Is the Z6 needed or is just an extra step? Reason I ask is because I don't have it.
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Oops. ;)



Z6 is what I use to wipe down when using Z5 over Optimum Polish. I have had no problems removing non-ZFX'ed Z5 after 15 minutes in 50 degree temperatures. If you are using ZFX, then you minus whale apply two coats of Z5 to ensure complete coverage.
 
If applied thin it will be dry before you are ready to start wiping car off even at 36 degrees.



You can wash with Z7, use the 50/50 wipe down or go over it with Z-AIO first to remove oils.
 
where do I find IPA? I've never heard of this step. I have done the Zaino steps before but its been about 3 months & I would really appreciate a refresher.



So far I have washed the car with Z-7.

I ran out of Z-6 so I am using a wax-free quick detailer spray.

I also have Z-5 & Z-2



Please explain the IPA wipedown to me. Where do I get IPA from, and what am I doing the IPA wipedown for?
 
Bandits007 said:
Please explain the IPA wipedown to me. Where do I get IPA from, and what am I doing the IPA wipedown for?
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IPA is Isopropyl alcohol that you can get from a local grocery store or pharmacy. Gas stations might even have it. just mix it with water in a spray bottle.



Its used to get all substances off the surface.
 
Bandits007 said:
where do I find IPA? I've never heard of this step. I have done the Zaino steps before but its been about 3 months & I would really appreciate a refresher.



So far I have washed the car with Z-7.

I ran out of Z-6 so I am using a wax-free quick detailer spray.

I also have Z-5 & Z-2



Please explain the IPA wipedown to me. Where do I get IPA from, and what am I doing the IPA wipedown for?
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IPA is not a product, but a mixture of:

Bandits007 said:
half water/half 70% Isopropyl alcohol
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The IPA wipedown is something that is usually done after polishing to remove all the oils that a polish may leave behind. This step insures that the sealent that is used has a good base to bond with.
 
IPA is isopropyl alcohol. NOT a mixture.



You can purchase a mixture of IPA and deionized water, but you can also get 100% IPA. I use the 100% at work and the mix at home.
 
KnuckleBuckett said:
IPA is isopropyl alcohol. NOT a mixture.



You can purchase a mixture of IPA and deionized water, but you can also get 100% IPA. I use the 100% at work and the mix at home.
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Tomato Tom'ah'to



For all purposes of how we discuss using it here, it is usually a 50/50 mix for doing an IPA wipedown, so in that case it is a mixture. While I agree that IPA comes in various stengths OTC, when reffering to the IPA wipedown we usually are talking about the mixture.



Very few people use exclusive 100% isopropyl alcohol for the IPA wipedown, including yourself. ;)
 
KnuckleBuckett said:
I use the mix at home. I wonder if the full strength version would work better?
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I do not know about that one. I never tried it. I would think that you would need gloves though. :)



Let's not hijack JonnyDaJackal thread on that subject though. :)
 
I also use Z6 for a wipe down. As far as cold temps I have applied ZCS, Z5 pro& Z2pro ( zfxed) in temps in the HIGH 20'S here in CT with no problem. Not fun but no problems.
 
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