1zpp, then Sonus Paintworks Cleanser then VM, then EX

cgc2

cgc2

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What do you think of that combo.



Paint condition is slight oxidation (Maroon color)and swirls.

Just washed and clayed.

Tried the above combo on a panel....looks good, noticed biggest

change once VM was applied. Really made the panel look wet.

Also noticed the VM removed more of what left in swirls than the 1zpp or Sonus Paint Cleanser.



All this was done by hand. I plan on using the Blue Sonus pad for the 1z product. If I need to get more aggresive, I will try the orange pad out.



Any thoughts, comments, suggestions welcomed.

Will post some picks after Im done with this SUV.



Regards,

Chris C
 
Interesting combo. I would expect the Sonus to remove the wax that the 1Z left behind, but I don't reall see any other reason to use it between the 1Z PP and the VM.



Since PP is much more aggressive/abrasive than the VM, I wonder if the VM is filling as opposed to *removing* the marring. Not that it matters as long as you like what you see :xyxthumbs
 
i think the sonus paint cleanser would help remove the marring, as well as wax, which in mind would be somewhat important... and id like to see this combo as well... the more products, the better.. :D
 
Interesting thread....



I'd like to try SPC in place of 1zMP. Instead of PP, MP, AIO, SG I'm tempted to try PP, SPC, SG. This would eliminate a step. I'm thinking AIO would become unnecessary because there would be no MP fillers and waxes to remove for the SG. The only question is whether or not the SPC will enhance the PP gloss as much as the MP/AIO combo does for me. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks!



Mikeman
 
In my experience, sonus paint cleanser and VM are about equal in aggressiveness, but i might give the edge to VM. I would choose one or the either and not both.
 
I did exactly that combo on my Expedition but not all at once. I washed, clayed, PP'd, and SPC'd it one weekend and didn't have time to finish. A couple weeks later I did VM and EX x 2.



First pic with SPC only:



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Second pic: VM + EX x 2



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Finished Product:



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I recommend you do 1Z PP with the Sonus green pad, skip SPC all together and do VM with the Sonus blue pad, and lastly EX with the Sonus grey pad. This combo will be stunning. :xyxthumbs
 
That looks sweet Jason ! Very nice.

A problem that I have had is this...whenever I use VM, the EX or EXP, I will get random white spots on the vehicle. I know I hit these spots, but I believe in other threads discussing this regimin are seeing a similar occurance.

I did not experience this when I used SPC, then went to Ex.
 
Accumulator said:
Interesting combo. I would expect the Sonus to remove the wax that the 1Z left behind, but I don't reall see any other reason to use it between the 1Z PP and the VM.



Since PP is much more aggressive/abrasive than the VM, I wonder if the VM is filling as opposed to *removing* the marring. Not that it matters as long as you like what you see :xyxthumbs
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My thoughts exactly. VM may not actually be "removing" the marring, but hiding it.....which unfortunately means that the marring/swirls will eventually reappear.



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cgc2 said:
That looks sweet Jason ! Very nice.

A problem that I have had is this...whenever I use VM, the EX or EXP, I will get random white spots on the vehicle. I know I hit these spots, but I believe in other threads discussing this regimin are seeing a similar occurance.

I did not experience this when I used SPC, then went to Ex.
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I experienced the random white spots too, but only when I applied EX too thick (by hand). When I applied the second coat, I used the PC and a finishing pad thus application was *extremely* thin and no more white spots. I even used the same process on my brother's black Honda (VM + EX by PC) and didn't have any white spots at all, everything looked excellent.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
My thoughts exactly. VM may not actually be "removing" the marring, but hiding it.....which unfortunately means that the marring/swirls will eventually reappear.



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In my experience, VM will remove light marring and oxidation.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
My thoughts exactly. VM may not actually be "removing" the marring, but hiding it.....which unfortunately means that the marring/swirls will eventually reappear......
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For what it's worth:



I love VM, but never really used it to remove any defects, but here is an interesting thread by MattZ28 that I remembered reading a while back.



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40619&highlight=vanilla+moose+swirls



After you look at the before and after pics read further down and youâ€â„¢ll read this update by MattZ28:



âہ“Alright, I just sprayed it and wiped several times with an IPA/water mixture, and there was no increase in swirls. I guess it did remove them then.â€Â�
 
There's no doubt in my mind that VM does in fact remove light defects, but I am being gracious when I say *light* defects. In my own experience and on my own cars, Sonus PC was better at removing defects than VM was BUT VM left the surface looking wetter and deeper. That being said, SPC was not designed to be a LSP yet VM was. As per the VM bottle, it states "After scratches are *removed*, apply a coat of Quick Shine for *additional* depth". What this means to me is, VM will remove scratches and will look great all by itself while at the same time protecting it, but for *additional* depth a topper can be used.



Even though the two products are similar in nature, they are actually both very different in chemical makeup and intent. As with any product, a single purpose product will always do a better job than a multi purpose product. That being said SPC is a *paint cleaner* while VM is a *paint cleaner, gloss enhancer, and protectant*.



In the end, if its a scratch remover you are looking for I would go with SPC (at the expense of more work), but if its a very quick and easy product to make the surface look really good regardless of how long it will last I would vote for the VM.
 
I think VM is similar to AIO in terms of their ability to remove swirls/marring. They may be able to do it, but only to a small extent....nothing more than light defects.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
I think VM is similar to AIO in terms of their ability to remove swirls/marring. They may be able to do it, but only to a small extent....nothing more than light defects.
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Have you tried to use either of these products to remove defects?



There are many contradictory theories to yours.



I suspect that AIO has more than just cleaners in it. Anything that is able to cut through heavy oxidation and mild surface marring would have to use "cleaners" so strong that gloves, googles, etc. would be required for application.
 
ZaneO said:
Have you tried to use either of these products to remove defects?



There are many contradictory theories to yours.



I suspect that AIO has more than just cleaners in it. Anything that is able to cut through heavy oxidation and mild surface marring would have to use "cleaners" so strong that gloves, googles, etc. would be required for application.
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No. I've never used either one of them. In fact, I've never even put wax on any of my cars.



But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.......







:p
 
Rob Tomlin said:
No. I've never used either one of them. In fact, I've never even put wax on any of my cars.



But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.......







:p
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You're a cool guy. Thanks for the contribution.
 
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