so i'm planning on doing some polishing on an audi and a few other cars here in the near future and i'm trying to decide what polishes would be best to use. i know that audi's have a notoriously hard clear coat and i'm going to be using a pc so i'm trying make my product selection with that in mind. so on that note i've been looking at SIP/106FA by menzerna or maybe 1Z's pro line polishes. anyone have any experience comparing the two? the 1Z stuff is quite a bit cheaper then menzerna and i don't detail all that often so i'm trying to keep things on the cheaper side.
1Z vs Menzerna
- Thread starter Sam N.
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Holden_C04
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Well, I have experience with both and I can tell you that Menzerna's polishes are definitely superior. They work on all paint systems just as well, whereas 1Z polishes only really work on hard paint. A less expensive Menzerna solution is IP/PO85RD. I doubt you would notice a difference. Or even IP/FPII. That's less expensive yet.
Holden_C04
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1Z is not a bad brand, though. I like their products but if I reach for a bottle, it's generally got the Menzerna logo on it.
Accumulator
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Long-time (and very particular) Audi nut here; I do very well with 1Z but I'd lean towards M105 for serious correction. Much to my surprise, I like the M105 better than the 1Z Pasta Intensiv *for serious correction*.
If (heaven forbid) I had to do a full correction on our Audis, I'd do M105, then 1Z High Gloss (first with a polishing pad and then a few jeweling/burnishing rounds with a finishing pad). Very effective and quite user-friendly (to the extent that correcting Audis can ever be).
Not like I don't like the Pasta Intensiv, I got good results with it and it *will* correct Audi clear, especially with PFW pads (use 3.5" or 4" via PC)...I just like the M105 a little better.
If (heaven forbid) I had to do a full correction on our Audis, I'd do M105, then 1Z High Gloss (first with a polishing pad and then a few jeweling/burnishing rounds with a finishing pad). Very effective and quite user-friendly (to the extent that correcting Audis can ever be).
Not like I don't like the Pasta Intensiv, I got good results with it and it *will* correct Audi clear, especially with PFW pads (use 3.5" or 4" via PC)...I just like the M105 a little better.
so what would you recommend for polish for a moderate correction on an Audi while trying to minimize cost? M105 and 1z high gloss? or maybe M105 and 106FA? i just want to have two products that can give me a fairly decent correction and then have something to follow up with. as far as pad choices go I'll probably buy autogeek's 5.5" ccs pad kit so that's what it would be paired with.
Accumulator
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Sam N. said:
Yeah, or else substitute the 1Z pasta Intensiv for the M105.
I dunno..I never get good correction via PC with pads larger than 4". With the 1Z Pasta Intensiv, I'd sure use 3.5" PFW pads, the M105 would probably do OK with 4" yellow/orange foam.
imported_themightytimmah
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How long does a full step with the 1Z Hochglanz take? I know it is a slower breakdown polish, and I tend to prefer faster cutting products, but that 5L for $45 at Autogeek sure is tempting.
Accumulator
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themightytimmah said:
IME/IMO it's not a looong work-time product like OP. I kinda go for short work times (get it done and over with) and the 1Z HG works quickly enough for me. Big thing seems to be to *NOT* use too much product (same ol' same ol' huh?).
I hadn't noticed that 5L for $45 at AutoGeek..wow
...if I could justify having one more big jug of product around here I'd jump on that.imported_Picus
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1Z HG is ok, like Accumulator said, short working time and it's good on harder paints. I like that you can use it at a low speed. Intensive Pasta and I don't really get along well; not enough cut for the hologramming it leaves behind ime. I don't think you can really replace the menzernas on softer paint with the 1z stuff.
Accumulator
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Picus said:
And it's great for burnishing hard paint via Cyclo/PC.
I can understand that, at least when it comes to rotary use. I do like the way it breaks down and leaves a nice gloss, but again that's primarily via Cyclo/PC. M105 sorta knocked the Pasta Intensive off the top of my mountain, thanks to Matt@AutoGeek for the comparison that got my initial attention (he too was formerly a big fan of the Pasta Intensive).
Yeah, the initial cut of the 1Z HG could easily be too much for some paints. Not the ones *I* work on, but that's just my situation. I doubt you can beat stuff like FPII for really soft paint.
blk45
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Holden_C04 said:
IMO, on Audi paint, it's worth the money to buy SIP instead of IP. Yes, you can get IP to work, but SIP is much more effective. The little bit of money you save by buying IP will be negated by the extra time spent.
I use both Menz 106 and 1Z Hotchglanz on medium and hard paint and the results are basically indentical. Both have to be worked a bit, but they both remove scratches well and finish out beautifully. Considering the huge price difference, you sould def. go with Einszett.
I usually wet sand first, and then finish with either product with a black finishing pad by rotary at 1200-2000 rpms. On a car in average condition, you'll get out 90% of scratches and a beautiful, deep shine. Burnish with 1Z Met.Polish Wax, and you can get perfection!:xyxthumbs
I usually wet sand first, and then finish with either product with a black finishing pad by rotary at 1200-2000 rpms. On a car in average condition, you'll get out 90% of scratches and a beautiful, deep shine. Burnish with 1Z Met.Polish Wax, and you can get perfection!:xyxthumbs
Holden_C04
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blk45 said:
I've yet to do a direct comparison so I can't really say whether or not that's true. Have you used both? On hard paint? I've used IP on just about everything and it works just fine for me, and I've used SIP on both hard and soft paint but I honestly couldn't tell you the difference between the two.
SuperBee364
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If you're using a PC on that Audi, I'd get:
M105 and 1Z Hoch Glanz
3.5" PFW, 4" Orange, 4" White, 4" Red (from AG) pads
1Z Hoch Glanz has the most cut of any finishing polish I've ever used. Unfortunately, I have been completely unable to get it to work on soft paints. On hard stuff, it's wonderful, especially when used by PC.
M105 and 1Z Hoch Glanz
3.5" PFW, 4" Orange, 4" White, 4" Red (from AG) pads
1Z Hoch Glanz has the most cut of any finishing polish I've ever used. Unfortunately, I have been completely unable to get it to work on soft paints. On hard stuff, it's wonderful, especially when used by PC.
Accumulator
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I *really* doubt that somebody's gonna think they bought *too* aggressive products for use when doing significant correction on an Audi, let alone by PC. I just can't *imagine* doing a good job in a timely manner with pads larger than 4". And it's not like I'm not used to spending many hours on this stuff (well, before getting the rotaries/Flex 3401 and stuff like M105 
and even then it doesn't go fast).
Wish I could get it to do that cutting you guys always experience; on my
Audis and the m3 and GMC it just doesn't do much of any correction for me, strictly a finishing polish IME and that really makes me :think: I oughta try it on the Mazda or something else soft but you have me nervous about trying that (visions of going from one extreme to the other).
Anyhow I'm glad I don't work on those stupid-soft clears (FPII is still the best bet for those, right?) and if you think 1Z HG works great by PC you oughta try it via Cyclo
Hmm, red pads huh? Think I'd notice/appreciate a diff between those any my Sonus blue finishing pads? I'm not sure what I can get in 4" anyhow...
and even then it doesn't go fast).SuperBee364 said:
Wish I could get it to do that cutting you guys always experience; on my
Audis and the m3 and GMC it just doesn't do much of any correction for me, strictly a finishing polish IME and that really makes me :think: I oughta try it on the Mazda or something else soft but you have me nervous about trying that (visions of going from one extreme to the other).
Anyhow I'm glad I don't work on those stupid-soft clears (FPII is still the best bet for those, right?) and if you think 1Z HG works great by PC you oughta try it via Cyclo
Hmm, red pads huh? Think I'd notice/appreciate a diff between those any my Sonus blue finishing pads? I'm not sure what I can get in 4" anyhow...
jordanrossbell
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You can get M105 from ADS in a 12 oz sampler for 9.99
Accumulator
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jordanrossbell said:
That's good to know...if used properly that 12 oz. oughta be enough for somebody to do a serious correction and still have plenty left over. Ten bucks, plus an couple of aggressive pads, to fix significant marring sounds like a bargain.