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No offense taken in the least Accumulator - as you said, sharing divergent experiences so we can all learn is what Autopia is all about.



For a point of referrence - my wife's van where I've gone directly from 1Z PP to 845 IW is a sapphire blue 2001 Mazda MPV.
 
Milestones said:
For a point of referrence - my wife's van where I've gone directly from 1Z PP to 845 IW is a sapphire blue 2001 Mazda MPV.
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Ah, that's one I can relate to, as I'm quite familiar with the clear on our '02 MPV :D



I dunno if you'd see a difference, but sometime (when you don't have anything better to do, heh heh ;) ) you might try some post-PP burnishing with MP...see if you notice any difference. That blue might show subtle improvements (nice color for a MPV BTW).



On our MPV, I quit polishing after 3M PI-III MG 05937, which is IMO right in-between PP and MP.



Oh, and a BTW/FWIW, be gentle on the MPV, it's the only vehicle whose clear I've ever messed up with a PC..thin clear on those, apparently.
 
Thanks Accumlator - maybe I will try that the next time I do my bi-annual 2 day detail of the MPV. I just did the last "big detail" of the MPV a few weeks ago.



I don't own/use a PC - so polishing through the clearcoat is not a risk.
 
Milestones- Yikes, doing a MPV in two days without a PC :eek: Takes me longer than that even with my overabundance of polishers! I end up doing it piecemeal most of the time, one/two panels after each wash.



Given that you're working by hand, I don't think I'd experiment with the MP after all :D
 
Accumulator -



Yeah - it takes me about 14 hours (7 per day) to wash, clay, polish, and wax the MPV - just exterior work, no interior. I do the interior separately later.



So - yeah - not something you want to do more than twice a year.
 
AL-53 said:
The so called wax in 1Zroducts is a synthetic wax..a resin to mimic the wax look...from what I was told the old MP pro is different than the current MP with wax...





Al
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That may be true for the pro line, but both PP and MetPolWax are carnauba based, NOT synthetic - I got that info straight from the horse's mouth in Cologne, Germany.
 
Milestones said:
Yeah - IMO the MP is not really necessary between the PP and an LSP and I've gotten great results going directly from clay to PP to 845 IW.



I don't know about the Extra polish though - it might be necessary to use the MP after the Extra before an LSP. I don't have any experience with the Extra yet.
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Accumulator is right about the difference the MP can make as a final polish step. On solid black, dark blue/green and red, I always follow PP with MP-Wax. If you're working by hand on light-medium metallics, you can skip it.





If you choose an 1Z polish to follow Extra with, it needs to be Paint Polish, not MP; by hand or machine, MP won't remove the marring of Extra.
 
Hello Guys



I think i posted before about a problem i have; 1x old Morgan Sports car on rear of the car is a panel where a spare wheel can go how ever its majorly swirled. The previous owner put a hand cleaning brush behind the wheel when it was on to clean behind it!! I need to get rid of those swirls, regardless if the wheel is on or off it looks like big haze.



The car looks like this:



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The arches are also pretty swirled. The car has a was resprayed in around 1996 and is clearcoated. I have used the cyclo on the other parts of the car except the very nose around the lights. Again im worried of the pads getting torn.



Do you think Extra Paint Cleaner followed by PP would do the trick here??



I would either apply using the cutting side of a Wolfgang applicator or use the MF applicator that comes with the 1Z products here in the UK. Which have you guys used??



How long do i work the EPC and PP?? Does it change colour??



Has anyone used this combo on such a large area or are you guys using it for more "touching up" of hard to reach areas.



Any advice really appreciated, its just sat there in storage over winter so i would like to bust it out as its spring and get it sorted.



Many thanks.



Geoff
 
Hi Geoff,



First of all, I'd try the Paint Polish first. If it doesn't cut it, go to the Extra. For hand application, a cotton terry app/folded towel is your best bet - for either product (in either case), I'd recommend misting the app with water first .



You can work either product for quite a long time, especially the PP. The Extra can dust a bit, though. As that looks like a solid color, I'd either finish with PP and a MF or foam app (after previous PP step by cotton terry), or do a final polish with a much gentler product (1Z MP Wax would do nicely, if you have it).



Todd
 
Hello Todd



Thanks for the advice!! Yes my car is red and its solid. I can get all those products on sale in a bundle so i will give them a shot. I was just worried about messing up the clearcoat was all.



Thank you.



Geoff
 
percynjpn said:
That may be true for the pro line, but both PP and MetPolWax are carnauba based, NOT synthetic - I got that info straight from the horse's mouth in Cologne, Germany.
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What is this "pro line" you all speak of?



All I see on pakshak's page is Ultra, PP, MP, MP w/wax, Express, and Waxpolsoft, whatever the heck that is...:confused:
 
Nimble- Besides the stuff you've mentioned, 1z makes products that are bodyshop oriented (I've never tried those) and a "professional version" of Metallic Polish. You can only get the Pro MP in round 1-liter cans as opposed to the smaller rectangular cans that the polishes usually come in. As best I can tell the larger cans of PP and UP are the same as the smaller "consumer" versions, but the Pro MP is a decidely different product (as confirmed by the folks at 1Z).
 
Accumulator said:
Nimble- Besides the stuff you've mentioned, 1z makes products that are bodyshop oriented (I've never tried those) and a "professional version" of Metallic Polish. You can only get the Pro MP in round 1-liter cans as opposed to the smaller rectangular cans that the polishes usually come in. As best I can tell the larger cans of PP and UP are the same as the smaller "consumer" versions, but the Pro MP is a decidely different product (as confirmed by the folks at 1Z).
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So the "pro" MP is what Pakshak sells then? It only comes in the round 1 liter container. Is that a nice follow up to PP like the MP w/wax?



EDIT: And where can you find the "regular" MP? All I've found is the MP w/wax. Or is that the reg one?
 
Nimble- OK, I checked out PakShack's site and yeah, the Pro version is the 1-liter can that *does not say wax in the name*. Perfect follow-up to PP and/or other medium polishes. I use it on the S8 after 3M PI-III MG 05937 and note that the 05937 finishes out *mighty* nice so if I still see an improvement then, well, that tells me something. But then I prefer this Pro MP over FP so I guess I just plain like it for a final finishing polish (at least on hard clear).



The consumer stuff, which I see can now be ordered in a 1-liter can also, is called MetallicPolishWax.



Both are good, but the Pro is my preference. FWIW, I had some bonding issues when I tried to put UPP over the consumer stuff. But it's a great cleaner-wax if you're topping with carnauba and it's something I recommend all the time to newbies and non-Autopians.
 
Thanks bud, I figure the price is pretty good on the liter "pro" MP, and if it bonds to both carnaubas and sealants, then it sounds pretty well-rounded too. :) All the 1 liter sizes are great values at PakShak in comparison to their pint sizes. So I'll probably pick up a liter of both PP and MP pro, and *maybe* a pint of Ultra. Just debating whether I'll be needing anything strnger than the HTEC, HTMC, 4* Body shop MCC/LCC, and OC/OP polishes I already have. :)
 
Nimble- heh heh, yeah, I know from buying stuff you don't need...but the way you can use Ultra by hand in tight spots makes it something I wouldn't want to be without. Since you're ordering anyhow..... ;)
 
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