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I found a nice site for 1Z products, Superior Auto Detailing Supplies they have good prices and free shipping on orders over $100. My quesion is do you *really* need the Glanz wax? I had sort of planned on just ordering the PP, and MP w/Wax, they don't even carry the "regular" MP.



What about the "Ultra"? Is that pretty aggressive as it's listed as? In comparison to other compounds, how is it? Maybe on the polish chart 1-10 scale? Thanks.



EDIT: How aggressive is the PP? Like OP?
 
Do you see the 1Z system as being beneficial if you already have the entire ClearKote, Optimum, and Hi Temp systems? Wouldn't you just mainly use CK compound or OC, then VM/RM/CMW? I guess I'm just seeing if the 1Z PP/MP w/wax duo would outdo say OP and CK CMW (even if only on certain finishes)?
 
Nimble- Much as I like (and recommend) 1z stuff, I dunno if there's any need for you to buy it. IMO the best thing about 1z is how user-friendly it is, especially by hand. This user-friendliness can be good for people who are experienced too, I love the stuff for quick two-steps on things like loaner cars or freebie details where I'm not gonna work too hard.



The Ultra/Extra is pretty aggressive, probably as aggressive as you can go by hand (that's why I like it- great for the initial work on things like scratches behind Audi door handles). The PP is a medium strength polish so yeah, comparing to OP isn't far off. Sorry those are such vague comments but I've never done any real side-by-side comparsons except with 3M PI-III RC/MG and those comparisons didn't , or maybe they overlapped too much).



Note that these polishes leave wax behind and can do some concealing.



I've never used GW in part because I hear its high solvent content can disrupt the wax/fillers/whatever that the polishes leave behind. I top 1z polishes with waxes like Collinite instead.



I *do* really like the Pro version of MP for a final finishing polish though; I tried it side-by-side with Menzerna FP on my already-nicely-polished Audi S8 and preferred the Pro MP. Probably because of the synthetic wax it leaves behind, but for whatever reason I liked it better. It's still what I use on the S8 before LSPing with UPP. I know non-Autopians who really like the MetallicPolishWax, they use it like a high-end cleaner-wax, but I prefer the Pro version (slightly stronger abrasives and only synthetic wax) so it's too bad your source doesn't have that.



But really, I dunno if you need to order up another product line. Heh heh, this is a new one...me sorta arguing *against* buying 1Z! That Ultra/Extra is handy for serious work in areas you can't do by machine though, you can feel and sometimes *hear* the abrasives breaking down. Pretty nice to mix with H-T EC to increase the work time too.
 
The MP Pro is still available here in the US from supplier...I believe it was 14.95 last time I got some..it is the oil can type container...my son uses it on his motorcycle...he has a 2000 Triumph Daytona 955i in a Yellow Gold metalflake and the MP does a great job on it by hand..



AL
 
Hmm, will the real "Accumulator" please stand up! Haha, I couldn't resist. I wouldn't have any problems going PP/MP w/wax then topping with say CMW or 845? That site has them for only 13 bucks a pop, so I figure why not grab up the trio of Ultra, PP, MP w/wax?? Haha that's how it always goes. ;)



Have you tried the MPw/wax on its own and seen if it provides *some* slickness, gloss, durability of a straight wax? Sure would be convenient if it did, then a PP/MP w/wax duo would be nice on lightly marred cars.
 
Accumulator said:
..I've never used GW in part because I hear its high solvent content can disrupt the wax/fillers/whatever that the polishes leave behind...
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Didn't Mike say that one could basically just spray GW on the surface without even wiping it and still protect the paint or something like that?



I thought GW was a type of sealant to the carnuba :nixweiss
 
Malachi said:
Didn't Mike say that one could basically just spray GW on the surface without even wiping it and still protect the paint or something like that?



I thought GW was a type of sealant to the carnuba :nixweiss
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I thought Glanz Wax was like a liquid form wax/polymer mix?
 
Malachi said:
Didn't Mike say that one could basically just spray GW on the surface without even wiping it and still protect the paint or something like that?



I thought GW was a type of sealant to the carnuba :nixweiss
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Glanz wax is a polymer base protectant, with some Nuba. You cant spray on and leave on, it needs to be removed, buffed off. Its one of the easier sealants I have used.
 
Nimble said:
Have you tried the MPw/wax on its own and seen if it provides *some* slickness, gloss, durability of a straight wax? Sure would be convenient if it did, then a PP/MP w/wax duo would be nice on lightly marred cars.
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MP Wax gives very good slickness and gloss, and is very easy to use and remove. I use the PP/MPW a lot, and it's a great combo. However, the carnauba does not last very long - about 6 weeks IME (which is true with many cleaner waxes, though MP gives much more corrrection than others). I usually top it with Blitz or Natty's for added durability.



Todd
 
Nimble said:
Thanks for the reply/info Todd, I'm thinking about getting at least the PP/MPW duo, just debating the need for the Ultra now.
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Well, FWIW, the Ultra ("Extra) is a great product for aggressive scratch/swirl removal, but it does leave considerable marring (though that's not a problem if you follow up with PP), and it dusts up more than the other 1Z polishes. I'd rate it as an "8" on the aggressiveness scale.





Todd
 
Nimble- percynJpn pretty much covered the MP-by-iteself issue, but FWIW I didn't get even 6 weeks out of it when I tried it.



Yeah, you can absolutely top PP/MP with Collinite, either 845 or 476S. I did that on my Blazer and it's still OK after a fairly mild winter.



Heh heh, maybe you oughta get all three after all (*now* I sound more like myself, huh ;) ). I still think you have things covered with your other stuff, but for jobs where ease-of-use and quick-but-OK results are the big concerns, the 1Z stuff really is great. And on finishes that I know I'm not gonna get close to perfect, 1Z/Collinite is my hands-down choice every time. I can't even remember the last time I used a conventional polish/glaze/wax approach instead, and remember that I *do* like glazes like Meg's #5 so it's not like I'm automatically against that approach.



If you can spare the $ get all three 1z polishes and let us know what you think.
 
Accumulator said:
Nimble- percynJpn pretty much covered the MP-by-iteself issue, but FWIW I didn't get even 6 weeks out of it when I tried it.



Yeah, you can absolutely top PP/MP with Collinite, either 845 or 476S. I did that on my Blazer and it's still OK after a fairly mild winter.



Heh heh, maybe you oughta get all three after all (*now* I sound more like myself, huh ;) ). I still think you have things covered with your other stuff, but for jobs where ease-of-use and quick-but-OK results are the big concerns, the 1Z stuff really is great. And on finishes that I know I'm not gonna get close to perfect, 1Z/Collinite is my hands-down choice every time. I can't even remember the last time I used a conventional polish/glaze/wax approach instead, and remember that I *do* like glazes like Meg's #5 so it's not like I'm automatically against that approach.



If you can spare the $ get all three 1z polishes and let us know what you think.
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It sounds like I should just view the MP w/wax as a light one step then, where it should be topped at all times. That's no big deal, because a coat of 845 or CK CMW isn't all that time consuming.



If I do pick up the trio, I'll try the PP, MP w/wax 845 combo on my gf's car (it's in *dire* need of a detail hehe).



Oh yeah, and I forgot that I just ordered some 4* Body Shop MCC and LCC too. Great, more high quality, "necessity" detailing products to buy. ;)
 
1Z PP/Collinite 845 IW is a classic combination and is probably the best combination for an older vehicle with swirls/marring that is going to be detailed by hand. Both the 1Z PP and the 845 IW have fillers/oils that hide marring and the combination also produces very durable protection and a good looking finish.



I've use the 1Z PP/845 IW combo on my wife's mini-van many times with great results.
 
Milestones said:
1Z PP/Collinite 845 IW is a classic combination and is probably the best combination for an older vehicle with swirls/marring that is going to be detailed by hand. Both the 1Z PP and the 845 IW have fillers/oils that hide marring and the combination also produces very durable protection and a good looking finish.



I've use the 1Z PP/845 IW combo on my wife's mini-van many times with great results.
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So, IYO, the PP finished down ready for a LSP? Is the MP *really* needed then?
 
Nimble said:
I thought Glanz Wax was like a liquid form wax/polymer mix?
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The so called wax in 1Zroducts is a synthetic wax..a resin to mimic the wax look...from what I was told the old MP pro is different than the current MP with wax...



Einszett chooses to produce a synthetic-based wax since synthetics are more durable for everyday driving. Yet einszett has developed a Wax to produce a depth of shine, normally reserved for carnauba based waxes, that exceeds that of its competitors as well as carnauba based waxes.



From what I was told the MP pro has less wax in it over the newer version and was a stronger type polish



Al
 
Nimble said:
So, IYO, the PP finished down ready for a LSP? Is the MP *really* needed then?
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Yeah - IMO the MP is not really necessary between the PP and an LSP and I've gotten great results going directly from clay to PP to 845 IW.



The 1Z PP finishes down nice, smooth, dust free and absolutely ready for an LSP. Supposedly, it even provides enough protection to function as an AIO type product with some limited durability/protection - although I certainly feel better providing more durable protection over the PP myself (thus the 845 IW).



I don't know about the Extra polish though - it might be necessary to use the MP after the Extra before an LSP. I don't have any experience with the Extra yet.
 
Thanks to all 4 (Al, Accum, Milestones, Percyn) of you that have posted in this thread with helpful information, you're life savers. ;)



BTW, if I went with Ultra on a bad finish, I'd then step over to PP/polishing pad in hopes that would clear up the mmarring and give me a smooth finish for my wax of choice.
 
Milestones said:
Yeah - IMO the MP is not really necessary between the PP and an LSP..



The 1Z PP finishes down nice, smooth, dust free and absolutely ready for an LSP. Supposedly, it even provides enough protection to function as an AIO type product with some limited durability/protection...



I don't know about the Extra polish though - it might be necessary to use the MP after the Extra before an LSP..
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Nobody take this as an :argue please...the more we discuss differing experiences the better prepared people like Nimble will be.



I noticed a definite improvement when I gently burnished an already-OK-via-PP finish with MP (this worked with both the consumer and Pro versions). Sorta subtle, but I could tell and this was on a silver Audi (hard clear, not a color where subtle stuff really shows). On some soft paints I've heard that PP does *not* leave things ready-to-wax, so you just have to see.



I *did* get a perfectly ready-to-wax finish on the Blazer with PP.



The wax in PP lasted about a month (sorta nasty winter weather) the last time I tried it as a one-step.



The Ultra/Extra has always needed a follow-up whenever I've used it, and I used PP as I figured (but never tried to know for sure) that the MP would be too mild.



AL-53- Yeah, the abrasives in Pro MP are just a bit stronger with regard to initial cut and the only waxes in the Pro are the synthetics (the consumer has a synthetic/carnauba blend).
 
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