1994 civic 154k original ss paint

BradE

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Well, what can be said about a rotary buffer? IMO they are the best tool in all of auto detailing. But, they are not for the beginner. Make no mistake, these are very powerful machines that can get away from your very quickly.



For lack of anything better to do, I am reviewing my impressions of the DeWalt DW 849 Rotary. Let me start off by saying, I really like this machine! I feel the best asset of this machine is one that probably is not very noticeable. The speed dial of this machine has the speed clearly written on it (ex. 1000, 1200 RPM) where as most rotary buffers have speeds listed 1-5 so they leave you guess as to how fast you are really going. I feel this great feature DeWalt included is a critical one. Speed is one of the most important factors when using a rotary, so this feature certianly takes the guess work out of the process. :up



Using the machine is fairly easy once you get the feel for it. The first thing you will notice when you pick up a rotary is the weight. They DeWalt weighs in at over 8 pounds. But when coupled with the length of the tool the balance is fairly good and feels only slightly front heavy due to the motor shaft, backing plate etc. The standard side handle and hand grip make the machine fairly easy to control when operating but you can start to feel tired due to the weight of the machine.



The DeWalt 849 has a wide range of speeds at your disposal. The lowest being 1000RPM and going all the way up to 3000RPM. The perfect operating speed for this machine is between 1200-1500 RPM depending on the task that you are trying to complete. This machine is not short on power either. The motor in the 849 is a powerful 8 amps, more than enough for any rotary. Some other rotarys have motors that are 10 amps or higher. This extra amperage is not really needed, and the extra size of the motor will cause the brushes to run hotter and need replacement quicker. The trigger that controls it all is variable speed as well. This means you can "clutch" the machine yourself to help keep the splattering to a minimum. Think of it as a gas pedal, the more you let off the trigger the slower the machine runs.



As many of your tool freaks know, DeWalt means tough, reliable quality. This machine is built like a tank, this is the main reason why it's the "gold standard" for many body and detail shops across the country.



And now comes the part we all dread, price. This machine is not cheap by anyones standards. A DeWalt DW849 will cost you between $180-$220 depending on where you purchase it. Then you must add in the cost of a velcro backing plate and a large assortment of pads. A rotary is certianly an investment, but I feel it's one that will serve you well for many years.



This is a really great machine. But as I said, newbies to detailing should not be using it. For the trained professional or skilled expierenced "home" detailer the DeWalt is a dream to use. The results a rotary can produce are truly unequaled by any random orbital polisher. If you are in the market for a rotary give the DeWalt DW849 a serious look, I think you will be glad you did.
 
Have you ever had a chance to use a Makita? It seems they are both great machines and the only thing that would really make me get one over the other is what most of you guys on this fourm suggest. I have held both, I like the DeWalt a little more but like I said, I would be happy with either machine judging from the look, feel and weight of each.
 
Yes I have used the Makita. Personally I prefer the DeWalt. I don't like the setup of the speed settings on the Makita, and due to the 10 amp motor and a smaller armature the Makita gets hotter than the DeWalt. Also the loop handle on the Makita is horrible.
 
Alright, thats good to know, the round box shape handle on the Makita looks useless, I was thinking I would just remove it if I ever had one.



My goal is to see how effective my Porter Cable machine with 3M Perfect It-II compound is on a badly swirled car. I just need to see how much time it takes, how many pad swaps, how long it takes to tackle each section. Sort of need to justify the cost to myself with proof that the Porter Cable is underpowered.
 
Everyone is different! I like to Makita precisely because of the loop handle,I find it easier to control the beast than the handle on the DeWalt.
 
Good review....I have the Makita...and wish it didn't have the 1,2,3,4,5 and the 1000 1200,1500 ectectect....could use a picture would like to see the handle...

thks

jeff
 
The power switch is buy the hand grip at the back of the unit, the speed dial is on the top back portion of the unit by the rear hand grip.
 
I just picked this up last week. Great little cars, these honda's. This is a one owner, all original 154k mile single stage finish which I was beyond curious to see what I could do with it. Red cleans up beautifully 9 out of 10 times.

I have not done the entire car YET...but I will. Probably not a fair comparison because I didn't use identical pads for both sides...but I decided to test M105(burgundy coarse foam pad) and M205(beige soft foam) on the passenger fender and SIP(orange ccs) followed by PO85RD(ccs white) on the drivers side fender. The FLEX 3401 random orbital was used, speeds were between 5.5 and 6 with firm pressure.

This is what the whole car looks like:
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Passenger side fender after 105 and 205. Amazing how quickly it took :) Saving time is priceless!

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Much improved!

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typical pitting, etc on the finish...most cars seem to get this, but so much clearer and deeper gloss!

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Drivers side fender after the menzerna twins were used.

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Much clearer and deeper defect free gloss.

I've not decided if I'll use meg's or menz to complete the car. What I do know is that there is a whole lot of gloss under all that crud :). The wonders of modern correction and what a little knowledge can do. Stay tuned.
 
I decided to break out the rotary(older makita 1. is 1500 rpm) and the schlegel and meguiars pads(meg's is burgundy heavy cut wool). The hood is trashed beyond recognition(at least it was). The rest of the car is not quite as bad but I do want it to look it's best regardless. I went with presta ultra cutting cream on the rotary...followed that with the FLEX 3401 and a yellow ccs pad. After that, menzerna SIP on an orange pad and it is gorgeous! This should be fun! LOL! tomorrow's project. Going out soon so I won't have time. Correction is tedious but when it's out in the sun and looks glossy and clear..it is ALL worth it! A few pics of the hood after buffing.

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I used the sun gun and can see MAYBE a scattered scratch here or there. Compared to how it was? This is huge! :) Lots of little pits in the finish. I see tons of cars with that in the finish. I guess it's what happens when you DRIVE the car :)

Will post up finished pics upon completion! It practically killed the clay bar LOL!
 
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