#01, 16, 96, 97 & 98 dropped

Not sure how a manufacturer would gauge the "hoarding effect" to determine just how much extra to produce? I can't imagine any company doing this as there is a big risk of getting stuck holding the bag if demand does not meet the extra supply.



I would think it would be the exact oppposite in that they would use the current demand levels to determine how long to continue producing so that the inventory runs out by some pre-determined date.
 
I'd think that the number of people so dedicated to those products as to hoard them is so small that it is essentially insignifigant. I'd bet that it is measured in the hundreds, if not less than a hundred. I doubt that there are a hundred people on this forum alone who are dedicated to #16 that much (which isn't to say that it's not what you think it is, but that there aren't 99 other people who would want to hoard it rather than find something else).





Tom
 
:shocked I can't believe #16 is going away... I have a pretty new can (only about 6 cars), and bought two more tins last fall just in case of this... at least I have enough for a while :(
 
Mosca said:
I'd think that the number of people so dedicated to those products as to hoard them is so small that it is essentially insignifigant. I'd bet that it is measured in the hundreds, if not less than a hundred. I doubt that there are a hundred people on this forum alone who are dedicated to #16 that much (which isn't to say that it's not what you think it is, but that there aren't 99 other people who would want to hoard it rather than find something else).





Tom
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Unfortunately, I think you're right. We must remember that we here are in the very small minority of car owners. The volume of NXT, cleaner wax and even #26 Megs moves each month must dwarf that of #16. It's mostly for pros and enthusiasts who have used it for years. Well, and people like me who have never used it but just had to try it and so picked up a tin this morning. ;)



Anyone know how many cars a tin will do, how long it will last?
 
Mike Phillips said:
Meguiar's did no stockpiling and did not ramp up any production of the discontinued items. What is left is all there is.



Mike
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No intention to dis you/Meg's Mike. Just used Meg's as an illustrative example for what *could* be done within a company, as Meg's was the brand mentioned in the thread title. (I did mention 3M, too, by the way). :wavey
 
BigLeegr,

What you stated makes sense and also I do not think your post dissed any one peculiar company. It would make sense for a company like Klasse for example that would need a complete overhaul of their present products to meet the new standards to build a supply backlog that would sustain sells here in the USA for the grace period. This is only if Klasse or its parent company hasn't already started and are close to their new VOC compatable product that matches the performance of their presently available excellent products. :nixweiss
 
Hm I think I've seen the 3m paste at Carquest. I shall buy some. Unless that is going too.





Does this mean that I shouldn't detail in a bubble as I normally do? I'm going to wear a hazmat suit.
 
stevet said:
I was just looking at 3M's site and there was no mention of RC and MG being discontinued. Did you speak to somebody at 3M?
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Somebody in another thread said it was being replaced by the 3000 line, and it is listed as not being VOC Compliant on their website. Maybe they will keep making it and just not sell in the CA market, not really sure since it is still listed on the 3M site. Sorry if that was a false alarm, I should have checked with 3M directly before making that statement.



Here is the thread where I got the info:



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48571&highlight=3m*
 
Eliot Ness said:
Somebody in another thread said it was being replaced by the 3000 line, and it is listed as not being VOC Compliant on their website. Maybe they will keep making it and just not sell in the CA market, not really sure since it is still listed on the 3M site. Sorry if that was a false alarm, I should have checked with 3M directly before making that statement.



Here is the thread where I got the info:



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48571&highlight=3m*
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Elliot, it's not a false alarm. I called 3M and asked about it. The Perfect It III Line is going to be dropped and Perfect It 3000 is the replacement. The person I spoke to said that the 3000 line will be superior to the Perfect It III line. We will see.



I asked about some of the older products like Finesse It II Machine polish. Many of these are OK and will still be sold.
 
stevet said:
The person I spoke to said that the 3000 line will be superior to the Perfect It III line. We will see.
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Heh heh, yeah, we'll see. I sure wouldn't expect them to say it's gonna be inferior ;) But really, so far the only things I've heard about the PI-3000 line have been positive.



I'm still waiting for a bit more info, but I'm not rushing out to stock up on PI-III stuff either.
 
The thread discussing this on MOL indicates from a Meg's rep that Clearcoat Body Scrub (similar to MPPC) is also being discontinued. The original announcement pertained to the Pro products only, so there may be more products in the overall line getting the axe.
 
I CANNOT beleive this!

I just jumped through hoops late last week to order a tin of #16 directly from Meg's; I would have ordered 2 or 3 had I known:doh
 
Well, I'm sure this is going to start some sort of controversy here, but comments over on MOL indicate that it wasn't that #16 was unable to be reformulated for VOC compliance, but that they chose not to do so. That may also be the case for the other products dropped. It's fairly obvious that there are sales and marketing issues involved here, balanced against reformulation costs, etc.



Of course, it doesn't really matter. Meguiar's can stop making any products they like, just like GM stopped making F-bodies, etc. Even tho #16 and F-bodies may have been very popular among Autopians, their contribution to the overall business equation must not have been sufficient, and although it's sad, that's the way it is.
 
It's fairly obvious that there are sales and marketing issues involved here, balanced against reformulation costs, etc.
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Unfortunately I must agree. Megs knows what the existing sales for #16 is and balanced keeping a product with that volume compared to other existing products and new ones being introduced. I think it basically lost out to other products as the decision was made to keep the number of products offered manageable. Not bashing Megs but there are bean counters at every company.



One other thing to consider is price and frequency of purchase for repeat customers. I used #16 for the first time yesterday and it applied as easily and looked as good as any other wax i've tried, comparable to S100. But I hardly used any wax at all, the tin still looks new! I remember someone posting that unless you detail professionally, one tin should last you the rest of your life. I believe this as I can see easily getting 120+ waxes out of a tin. And since it lasts so long one only needs to wax 4-6 times a year, the math is easy to do. :(
 
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