0 bucket wash

I think I finally get this zero bucket wash. FROM WHAT I GATHER, he is doing very much what Acculumator does...

Note that the key to *my* version of Dislodge and Flush ("D&F") is completely dependent upon the foamgun providing constant flushing and lubrication at the point of wash medium-to-paint contact. Gotta flush away the dislodged dirt rather than allowing it to get stuck to the BHB/mitt. Easy with the BHB, far less so with the mitt.

Essentially, instead of dunking a dirty mitt into a RINSE bucket, he (Final Inspection guy) takes the HP water to hose off the dirty mitt. He then reapplies the soap solution as needed. Doing this eliminates the grit guard, dunking, and the rinse bucket.

I try to not ever let the mitts get dirty as that dirt will get dragged across the paint to some extent before the mitt gets rinsed. For *me*, seeing a dirty mitt/BHB/whatever after I've done a panel indicates that I messed up.

 
Hi guys

I've known Damian from final inspection for over ten years
he is extremely knowledgable, skilled and knows what he is doing big time

Im using his zero bucket method with one mitt and it's fairly quick and works fantastic
yes I love rinseless too but I can't use my rinseless as a nano skin towel lube so I soap the cars
Snow foam i really dislike, I do have a foam gun but that's mainly for wheel arches and bottom of door

He will ship to USA for sure, he already has customers there I'm pretty sure
I don't use many of his products but those I do are superb quality. , I do use some of his pads
 
Note that the key to *my* version of Dislodge and Flush ("D&F") is completely dependent .... Easy with the BHB, far less so with the mitt.

I try to not ever let the mitts get dirty as that dirt will get dragged across the paint to some extent before the mitt gets rinsed. For *me*, seeing a dirty mitt/BHB/whatever after I've done a panel indicates that I messed up.

I'm headed over to supply store to get some DI water, and BHB. :)

He will ship to USA for sure, he already has customers there I'm pretty sure
I don't use many of his products but those I do are superb quality. , I do use some of his pads

The site didn't have a drop down for USA, only Aus. Either way, I have been in contact with a guy here in So Cal, and should be getting some of the shampoo today.
 
My car is way to dirty after a week of daily driving to even try something like that in the video, maybe if it was a garage queen and only needed to get the dust off from sitting that may work.

I have tried what Accumulator has done with the foam gun. When I found this site I never understood the idea behind the 2 bucket method and ended up trying it, still not really seeing the benefits so I am a one bucket wash person. I then spent some money on a foam gun and found that it really loosened up the dust and dirt and flushed it away on a pre-soak and rinse. So I tried a no bucket wash with the foam gun in one hand and a wash mitt in the other, this is after a pre-soak and a rinse but my car gets kind of dusty throughout the week and I just didn't like the idea of not being able to thoroughly rinse the mitt so gave up on that after one wash. I don't use a grit guard and don't see the need for it. Any dirt that comes off the mitt, which is very little if any, in the wash bucket sink to the bottom, when I am rinsing between sections my mitt rests on the side of the bucket and not on the bottom so I don't see a need.
 
JustJesus- If you do buy a BHB, *BE CAREFUL* that you get a good one. The only ones I currently recommend are the ones made by Universal Brush. There are a lot of BHBs on the market that are *NOT*, uhm....Accumulator-approved.

skibik- Tjhat whole "wish to rinse the mitt but by then it's already moved dirt across the paint" dilemma is why I do the BHB/foamgun pass(es) first. Being able to rinse the mitt clean while it's in-use is possible, but it's a big hassle. If you're happy with what you're doing now, far be it from me to suggest that you tweak it! But if you want any encouragement to buy one of those spendy BHBs, well...... ;) Easy for me to spend your money, huh?!?

I do think I could benefit from a Grit Guard in my wheels/etc. bucket...might put in one of the ones that came with my Griot's buckets some time. Not to "hold the dirt down" but rather as a surface on which I could agitate the brushes/mitts. As it is, if my wash media for those areas get dirty I just rinse them with the hose.
 
I highly recommend the use of multiple mitts to avoid the possibility of re contaminating the paint. This is especially true in the case of a very soiled car. Multiple mitts bring me peace of mind and not have to worry so much about keeping one mitt pristine
 
Bill D- Yeah, you've been doing well with that for a while now...since long before Garry Dean started doing it with MFs and his rinseless ;)
 
DetailZeus,

Been doing your described method (rinse mitt with a hose) for many years. Good post. Now that I use waterless methods and techniques I don't even need a hose anymore. BUT, I still use a power wash + rinseless when called for.
 
I am at the end of my buying any more detailing stuff so the BHB is out. Other than maybe ordering up soap I just can't keep justify spending anymore money. This is because, even though I don't have much supplies, I currently have enough to last just about a lifetime and just can't see shelling out more even just for tools that may help. The foam gun was actually more than I needed or wanted to spend but I do like it and seems to work for me. For that I just use OTC soap and run it strong, about 3 to 4 ounces in the quart gun. It seems to work for me. I only do small areas and flip mitt. So something like the roof I would work on one half and flip mitt when a quarter is washed return to bucket do the other side using both side and so forth. The sides I rinse more often. I tried the foam gun on a low ratio and kept flooding the mitt and paint but it was just to inconvenient so I went back to the bucket.

Years ago I bought an attachment for the garden hose that has a mop on the end of it. I bought it when I had my Dakota. I had the notion of popping the old mop off and attaching a new MF mitt to the end but there is no soap dispenser in it. I had the idea that would work as you are pushing water through it but the thought of doing that ended thinking I would end up with something stuck in it that wouldn't flush out and mar it up. I have seen those BHB's but have the same thought of something getting into the brush and dragging it all over the paint. I used to use the brush at the carwash on my that same truck but would never think of doing that to my Camaro. JMO.

Thanks for suggestion though.
 
Nautical- Close, but no cigar (at least he's not getting one from me ;) ). If it works for him, great. Really. Not knocking him at all. But if *I* washed like that I'd mar things up. I know because I've done it that way in the earlier stages of developing my current method.

(For the umpteenth time; I only do what I do because it's the only way I can avoid marring. I hate that it's so labor-intensive and I wish I didn't have to resort to such off-the-deep end [nonsense]. I'm sure not trying to impress anybody with how fancy I make carwashing, or to make it sound like anybody else oughta do things my way. So when I get all critical about somebody else's method I'm just pointing out why it wouldn't work for *me*.)

Two Points:
1)He's not allowing the foamgun to flush away the dirt; he lets it get trapped in the mitt and seems to believe it'll be held up in the nap. I don't rely on that, I try to keep the dirt from getting stuck to the mitt in the first place. So I hold the (wash solution-filled) mitt shut by the cuff and gently whisk it across the panel while spraying the foamgun. I don't press the mitt against the paint the way he does.


2)He moves the mitt in long motions under continuous pressure, i.e., all along the length of that car's roof; I move my wash media in short, interrupted, "jiggling" motions so the foamgun's output is more likely to flush away the dirt (during the "pauses" in the mitt's movement) and, perhaps more importantly, so that if I *do* somehow get marring, it's not some looong scratch but rather some little short one that'll be less obvious.

If I could change *one* thing about how people wash, I'd probably be to quit using long/sweeping motions that can result in long, obvious scratches. OK...I'd change two things- And rinse/redunk the mitt/etc. very frequently instead of waiting until it's obviously necessary. Just those changes might make all the difference for some folks. Assuming anybody needs to make any changes....
 
skibik- I'm actually glad you're not spending more $ on this stuff ;)

And when you post "..it was just too inconvenient..") I think that is very reasonable. So no criticism from me :D

I've tried a lot of flow-through-device approaches, but never found anything that really satisfied me. I'd like to somehow combine a BHB and a foamgun if I could figure out how to do it....it really is just incredible (well, to me...) how the BHBs can rinse clean so easily if I do things right..but that "convenience" factor again...
 
JustJesus- If you do buy a BHB, *BE CAREFUL* that you get a good one. The only ones I currently recommend are the ones made by Universal Brush. There are a lot of BHBs on the market that are *NOT*, uhm....Accumulator-approved.

Thank you, sir!! Guess I'm lucky that supply store didn't have any BHBs. Just synthetic brushes. Also, the Montana BHBs are on backorder on AG. I'll look for some Universal ones.

And, Accumulator, you can keep spending *my* money. :P

.... And rinse/redunk the mitt/etc. very frequently instead of waiting until it's obviously necessary.

And *this* is why I started using multiple wash mitts instead of rinse/redunk! It took me way too long, since I did it very often.
 
DetailZeus,

Been doing your described method (rinse mitt with a hose) for many years. Good post. Now that I use waterless methods and techniques I don't even need a hose anymore. BUT, I still use a power wash + rinseless when called for.

Thanks jmsc. If the hose removes all the dirt, then in theory you'd never be contaminating your wash solution right? I still find some wash media are grabbier than others (such as microfiber wash mitts) and may benefit from rubbing on a grit guard (or switch to fresh media)

I've had decent luck with rinseless washing. I have no less than 16 (!), 600 gsm microfiber towels, so plenty of clean sides to flip to for the multiple media method. I'll be getting a power washer soon so I expect to do a lot of powerwash + rinseless washing. I guess my dilemma now is if I have the powerwasher out is it even worth using a rinseless soap?

I love discussing wash methods, it's the detailing "thing" you do the most so all the better to find ways to make it faster/safer/more efficient.
 
skibik- I'm actually glad you're not spending more $ on this stuff ;)

And when you post "..it was just too inconvenient..") I think that is very reasonable. So no criticism from me :D

I've tried a lot of flow-through-device approaches, but never found anything that really satisfied me. I'd like to somehow combine a BHB and a foamgun if I could figure out how to do it....it really is just incredible (well, to me...) how the BHBs can rinse clean so easily if I do things right..but that "convenience" factor again...

I know it is sacrilege to go to a car wash, I have to this time of year, but I would guess you have been to a wand type wash and would guess your car washes wouldn't be any different than here. Around here they have the foaming brush, I am not sure what the bristles are made of but when I had my Dakota or even my Monte Carlo I used them in the winter time to get the grime off after a rinse of the heavy build up. They feel soft. I know, I know, before I hear "you did that to your vehicle", keep in mind that was before I found this forum and before owning a black car.

Now after thinking about this while typing it up my gears are turning. I don't think something like that would work with a foam gun but doesn't those tornadoes use air to make foam? Wouldn't be enough water though. The other idea that I was thinking of was, don't some portable pressure washers have a soap dispenser built in? My brother owned one years ago for cleaning machinery, looked like a regular pressure washer that you set a jug on and had a siphon hose, there was a blending lever on the unit and wasn't that big. Bad thing you would have to find a way to dial down the pressure. If you found a way to hook it to a foam gun I don't think it would create enough foam but at least you would move soap through the brush. Good luck.
 
JustJesus- The "Montana" brush that AG sells is made by Universal Brush. I sorta pefer their "Blonde" line, but those are pricier and might be too gentle for some applications.

DetaiulZeus- I agree completely about the importance of getting the wash sorted out! FWIW, much as I love the Pressure Washer, IMO you'll still need the mechanical agitation of doing a rinseless wash/etc. most of the time.

skibik- I sure won't blame you for going to a carwash if that's what's best in *YOUR* situation!

The Tornador doesn't really work for this IME. It's too much of a "small area at close range" tool. I had visions of using my Tornador Black for this but after a few tries I gave up on the idea. I don't really see how/why people use them for wheels...eh, maybe I'm missing something but I can't imagine what.

I've never used the "detergent injection" feature of the Pressure Washers I've had with that feature, might work fine.

I have a siphon-fee sprayer that hooks up to my air compressor and works like a mini-Pressure Washer. I used it to spray shampoo solution as a prewash/presoak before I got the current Pressure Washer (no chemical injection). Since getting the Pressure Washer I've hardly ever used it, but some time I want to try it with IUDJ.
 
DetaiulZeus- I agree completely about the importance of getting the wash sorted out! FWIW, much as I love the Pressure Washer, IMO you'll still need the mechanical agitation of doing a rinseless wash/etc. most of the time.

Oh absolutely. What I meant was my "regular" soaps might start getting more use if I already have the pressure washer out. Not a touchless wash.

I actually think a *true* zero bucket wash would be something like pressure rinse + foam + pressure rinse + towel dry without getting dirt on the towel. I think we are close with the current coating technology but not quite there yet.

IIRC that SuperBee guy got somewhere playing with different soaps and LSP's but wouldn't risk towel drying without further wash steps.

I could see pressure rinse + foam + pressure rinse + waterless wash with multiple microfibers possibly working on slightly dirty cars with great dirt-shedding lsp (has anyone actually done this???)

Hmm maybe I should stop posting and start selling a wash system...
 
The only thing Ive learned from this thread:

there are many ways to wash a car so pick the one that works best for you
 
IIRC that SuperBee guy got somewhere playing with different soaps and LSP's but wouldn't risk towel drying without further wash steps....

Yeah, Superbee364 (MIA here, but remembered fondly). His approach got me to try using a Rinseless as part of my wash regimen, though I don't use it until after more conventional steps than he does (my vehicles get dirtier).
 
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