Victoria Wax
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SilverLexus
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I am perhaps suspicious because I see hyped products come and go. Sometimes I get in on the action and buy in and are later disappointed. I have been through and disappointed by Griot's, Zymol (including estate blends), Swissol, and others. I have seen things come and go like fads.
I could be completely wrong here and it could be a great product, but after a few of these ravefests it can pay to be somewhat conservative...
At the very least you should understand my devil's advocate or skeptics position.
Kai if you or Alan had detailed before and after pics, that would go a ways...
Alan, I know Autopia well (same sig line)...who recommended the product to you. Be careful as sometimes pro detailers are given free samples and that may in some cases bias their views.
I could be completely wrong here and it could be a great product, but after a few of these ravefests it can pay to be somewhat conservative...
At the very least you should understand my devil's advocate or skeptics position.
Kai if you or Alan had detailed before and after pics, that would go a ways...
Alan, I know Autopia well (same sig line)...who recommended the product to you. Be careful as sometimes pro detailers are given free samples and that may in some cases bias their views.
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
One more thing...
I'm also skeptical of the need to apply any wax by hand alone following my experience with Zymol estate waxes. This is very difficult and to me unnecessary. If the wax is high quality, why can't one use an applicator? I think the answer is marketing...in order to sell at such a premium they have to differentiate the product and create an aura of something different. Using the Zymol hand application method may be one way they do it.
I'm also skeptical of the need to apply any wax by hand alone following my experience with Zymol estate waxes. This is very difficult and to me unnecessary. If the wax is high quality, why can't one use an applicator? I think the answer is marketing...in order to sell at such a premium they have to differentiate the product and create an aura of something different. Using the Zymol hand application method may be one way they do it.
First of all the person who recommended VW to me was a plain simple person who only uses VW and nothing else. AS for using the hand to put on the wax I sent ZESTY-MAN a e mail explaining why.the heat in the palm of your hand is used to melt the carnuba and put the reaction of the carnuba into motion(believe it or not)yes you can use a appy but they reccomend not to one last thing when this started and all the hopla of VW it was one guy who I said to what wax do you use better then SOUVERN or TS because to me those 2 on black are the best deep dark shine that ive seen then it snow balled I can smell a marketing rat from afar
SilverLexus said:
Seriously the previous post you sounded half way awake, now you are just out there again. Like I said...please try to read my posts before you start assuming things. You know what they say about ASSUME.
Since I'm such a nice guy, here I'll quote you what I have already typed.
READ, PLEASE READ!!!Kai said:
I have said few other things in regard of using pad after with bare hands in the previous posts. If you cannot read that, I'm not going to repeat myself.
You know what? Better yet. DON'T BUY VICTORIA WAX, IT'S NOT FOR YOU. Just forget you ever read this thread, YES, the wax is all hype. Don't bother, don't waste your time even thinking about it. I'm just making up everything, oh yeah..I'm just their salesman.
This whole thing is just a marketing hype organized to get you guys to spend more money, that's all. :nono Feel better?
Are you just thick or you are just arguing for the sake of arguing?If you have so much doubt about the product and making so many assumptions even after reading through my posts, ASSUMING that you read, JUST DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THIS PRODUCT. I feel much more special using some great product that others never heard of. :lmfao
And the thing is, I've beenusing both PS and TS on the same car ever since we bought the car, and TO ME I can tell the difference switching to VW. I don't know why it is so hard for others to just understand that others are just excited about the product.ALAN81 said:
Is this common on DC that others just go on and bash others and assume everything is a marketing hype? This proves to be a very disappointing experience to say the least.
When I first got excited about UPP, should we consider that as a marketing hype, too? How about NXT? I guess I am just out there to give these products bad names by talking about it. If that's the case, maybe I should just not talk about any product anymore.
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
Kai,
Why are you so defensive?
I'm raising legitimate concerns. Many people I know think the wax in the palm thing is BS. There can't be much scientific explanation for it. As for the solvent getting into the applicator why would this matter? Wouldn't you remove the wax with a separate MF? I have never seen a MF applicator cause streaking...
I raise these concerns because I think there is a real danger that people get sucked up into a "wax of the day" mentality. My experience is that truly good products come along very rarely.
If this wax is really good then pro detailers and people who are respected will try it and report their experiences back and momentum will build naturally.
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but there should be room on the board for legitimate questions and concerns when a new wax arrives.
Maybe I'm wrong on this one but I am always extra alert when a very expensive wax arrives and this stuff certainly fits that category. Perhaps my views are shaped by poor performance of Griot's and Zymol. Their web site is also very lacking in explaining the technology behind the wax which is not a good sign in my experience. Also, there seems to be only one distributor and its a small one for the U.S.
Why are you so defensive?
I'm raising legitimate concerns. Many people I know think the wax in the palm thing is BS. There can't be much scientific explanation for it. As for the solvent getting into the applicator why would this matter? Wouldn't you remove the wax with a separate MF? I have never seen a MF applicator cause streaking...
I raise these concerns because I think there is a real danger that people get sucked up into a "wax of the day" mentality. My experience is that truly good products come along very rarely.
If this wax is really good then pro detailers and people who are respected will try it and report their experiences back and momentum will build naturally.
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but there should be room on the board for legitimate questions and concerns when a new wax arrives.
Maybe I'm wrong on this one but I am always extra alert when a very expensive wax arrives and this stuff certainly fits that category. Perhaps my views are shaped by poor performance of Griot's and Zymol. Their web site is also very lacking in explaining the technology behind the wax which is not a good sign in my experience. Also, there seems to be only one distributor and its a small one for the U.S.
I just thought I would chime in as I started this thread. Let me assure you that I did not post this thread to market anything and I have no affiliation with Victoria Wax, I am just a simple Chiropractor that wants to have some fun taking care of my truck and car. I too read about VW on Autopia in the same thread ALAN81 read and thought I would give it a try. I posted simply looking for some feedback from people who obviously have much more experience and have tried more products than me.
I have tried applying VCW to a small section of my roof using both my bare hand and a foam applicator. The foam app seems to make the process easier but the question of solvent/wax separation lingers in my mind as yes this is a relatively expensive product and I want to make sure I get the most out of it.
I assume the reason for the suggestion of application with bare hands is because an applicator will have absorption ability and will therefore absorb the solvent but the wax will not be able to be absorbed, thus leading to separation and the possibility of poor application/product results.
I just finished the prep work on my truck and put the first of two coats of EX-P today. I will likely top with VCW later this week and will hopefully report back with some pictures. Unfortunately my feedback will I believe be subjective as I have not experienced any other high end waxes.
Oh, one more thing, sorry for rambling on but I just wanted to shair my thoughts. Thanks.
I have tried applying VCW to a small section of my roof using both my bare hand and a foam applicator. The foam app seems to make the process easier but the question of solvent/wax separation lingers in my mind as yes this is a relatively expensive product and I want to make sure I get the most out of it.
I assume the reason for the suggestion of application with bare hands is because an applicator will have absorption ability and will therefore absorb the solvent but the wax will not be able to be absorbed, thus leading to separation and the possibility of poor application/product results.
I just finished the prep work on my truck and put the first of two coats of EX-P today. I will likely top with VCW later this week and will hopefully report back with some pictures. Unfortunately my feedback will I believe be subjective as I have not experienced any other high end waxes.
Oh, one more thing, sorry for rambling on but I just wanted to shair my thoughts. Thanks.
SilverLexus said:
Maybe because your assumptions came off in a very accusing fashion?
Or maybe I'm just annoyed that I have to repeat what I have already explained? mahd already explained it, I hope you are going to read his post.SilverLexus said:
I guess I'm not pro enough to comment on any new product. But I think if even average Joe can tell the difference that should mean something.SilverLexus said:
My final thought is...I should just not be too excited about any new product (at least new to me), or others might just jump in and accuse me for creating this "real danger to get people sucked up into a "wax of the day" mentality".
And just for those who were wondering about applying the wax by applicator...
I just decided to try using the new LC red finish pad and just scooped some VW onto the pad directly and apply the surface that way. No streaking, but it was just a lot more PIA to buff off as the wax seemed to be much drier than applied by bare hands. What used to take 2 strokes to buff off, now it takes one extra stroke if not 2 extra strokes...
No streaking or haze, I guess that should satisfy some nonbelievers. Oh great....now I'm probably going to responsible for advising others not to use bare hands.
I just decided to try using the new LC red finish pad and just scooped some VW onto the pad directly and apply the surface that way. No streaking, but it was just a lot more PIA to buff off as the wax seemed to be much drier than applied by bare hands. What used to take 2 strokes to buff off, now it takes one extra stroke if not 2 extra strokes...
No streaking or haze, I guess that should satisfy some nonbelievers. Oh great....now I'm probably going to responsible for advising others not to use bare hands.
Woob
New member
:flamed Ugh guys just chill out. Enjoy what you want nothing to kill each other about 
Bill D
Hooked For Life
I used to apply Blitz wax with my hands after reading an article that the heat from fingers helps melt the wax. It's a little tough to buff off due to nature of the product itself. I also switched to the foam applicator, not really much of a difference in removal and yes, by applicator it's faster. Faster by applicator goes for P21s wax as well. It's simply another nuance of one's detailing technique, if you don't mind getting your fingers waxy, go for it. At least if you're ever in a jam and don't have an applicator you can always use your hands
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
Kai,
Why don't you post some before/after pictures?
That way we can see the results...or maybe you can share the after pictures if you have them.
Why don't you post some before/after pictures?
That way we can see the results...or maybe you can share the after pictures if you have them.
zesty-man
how do ya like it?
Woob said::flamed Ugh guys just chill out. Enjoy what you want nothing to kill each other about
:chill :chill :chill whoa!!! i come back from school and find these two heavy weights taking shots at each other???
anyways, i guess ill have to wait to see how good this really is. however, come on guys, truthfully, to SOME degree, dont you think "applying by the hand" has something to do with marketing??? thats what ranney and i were talkin about last weekend. TO A DEGREE!!! please dont flame me
my stuff should be coming any day now, and then i can try it out
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
"dont you think "applying by the hand" has something to do with marketing??? thats what ranney and i were talkin about last weekend."
It's all marketing. You can build up just as much heat by vigorously rubbing an applicator. Liek I said, it's another way to differentiate the product in a crowded marketplace.
It's all marketing. You can build up just as much heat by vigorously rubbing an applicator. Liek I said, it's another way to differentiate the product in a crowded marketplace.
zesty-man
how do ya like it?
well maybe, and maybe not... im not quite sure.......
Again, it was about much of solvent getting absorb thus caused streaking when trying to buff off the wax. VW never said anything about using palm's heat to warm up the wax and deny that pad's rubbing action wouldn't. Don't put other's words in VW's mouth. This is seriously getting nowhere.
I even said it earlier, the texture is not as hard as other wax I've tried. The wax is in this very paste like form, there's really no melting needed. Where did you read on VW's site that the wax needed to be melted in the hands in order to use it.
This getting pretty lame talking to myself b/c you are obviously not reading what I've said.
And I just said it in the other post, I've tried it w/ finishing pad, no problem Maybe VW just didn't have good luck with layering down the wax by applicators, maybe they are just trying to suggest what may be the best way to get the most of out the wax with streaking or other issues.
SilverLexus, just give it a rest. If you think it's a marketing hype, just treat it as a marketing hype. You don't need to convince others to think like you. Why is it so hard for you to understand.
If you have so much doubt about it, just don't try it. Simple as that. Credit card is in your pocket, no one is pointing a gun at you and forcing you to whip it out and use it. If you only have assumption to contribute to this post, I think you've done enough. It's not that I'm getting defensive about anything, it's more or less just I'm tired reading your question asking the same thing over and over again. I understand you have been a big sucker for the other products and you just don't want to spend money on new products, but I just dont' understand why you can't listen to those who have tried this already.
I've said enough, this would be my last post. Don't feel like copying and pasting or quoting my own posts. And not really in the mood to argue with someone who has never tried the product and is just arguing for the sake of arguing. It gets old quick.
I even said it earlier, the texture is not as hard as other wax I've tried. The wax is in this very paste like form, there's really no melting needed. Where did you read on VW's site that the wax needed to be melted in the hands in order to use it.
This getting pretty lame talking to myself b/c you are obviously not reading what I've said.
And I just said it in the other post, I've tried it w/ finishing pad, no problem Maybe VW just didn't have good luck with layering down the wax by applicators, maybe they are just trying to suggest what may be the best way to get the most of out the wax with streaking or other issues.
SilverLexus, just give it a rest. If you think it's a marketing hype, just treat it as a marketing hype. You don't need to convince others to think like you. Why is it so hard for you to understand.
If you have so much doubt about it, just don't try it. Simple as that. Credit card is in your pocket, no one is pointing a gun at you and forcing you to whip it out and use it. If you only have assumption to contribute to this post, I think you've done enough. It's not that I'm getting defensive about anything, it's more or less just I'm tired reading your question asking the same thing over and over again. I understand you have been a big sucker for the other products and you just don't want to spend money on new products, but I just dont' understand why you can't listen to those who have tried this already.
I've said enough, this would be my last post. Don't feel like copying and pasting or quoting my own posts. And not really in the mood to argue with someone who has never tried the product and is just arguing for the sake of arguing. It gets old quick.
The Chee
I'm back YIPEE Refreshed!
:wait :chill :chill chill out guys, it's just wax 
, this is a friendly site, lets keep it that way k . There are many other boards where dramas abound everyweek, let's try to be nice to everyone, we'll all feel better too:cool
, this is a friendly site, lets keep it that way k . There are many other boards where dramas abound everyweek, let's try to be nice to everyone, we'll all feel better too:coolI just want to say a few things.........................
everyone take a step back and take a breath
its only auto wax
please donot be offended this is a forum and people do voice there opinions
this will not be the last wax that will be discussed here and we will all have to be a little civil
DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONAL
that said I still love this place PLEASE don't RUIN IT
everyone take a step back and take a breath
its only auto wax
please donot be offended this is a forum and people do voice there opinions
this will not be the last wax that will be discussed here and we will all have to be a little civil
DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONAL
that said I still love this place PLEASE don't RUIN IT